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Anfang der Woche wurde in 1 Liter Töpfe mit BioBizz lightmix umgetopft. Die Pflanzen entwickeln sich sehr gut. Die Meringue zeigt wie damals wieder wunderbar Indica typische Blattform mit einem schönen dunklen grün.
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So this girl also ripened up really quickly , and is almost 30% amber so she has now been moved into darkness over the weekend ready too hang begining of next week , She smells amazing very strong and friuty cant wait too try her
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🌿 Week 9: The Grand Root Reveal & Bud Sites Popping! 🏺🥦 Strain: Sticky Broccoli Automatic (Zamnesia) Stage: Mid-Flowering / Bud Development Light Cycle: 18/6 📝 The General Vibe: Welcome to Week 9! The stretch has slowed down, and the "Sticky Broccoli" is officially shifting all her energy into flower production. The canopy is an absolute jungle of tops! Those red and green LST clips did exactly what they were supposed to do, breaking the apical dominance and giving us a beautiful, bushy, multi-topped structure. White pistils are shooting out everywhere, and the bud sites are starting to look like perfect little pompoms. 🏺 The "Vase" Experiment Reveal! This is the moment I’ve been waiting for! I finally pulled back the top layer to check on our hidden structure, and the results are amazing. The main stalk is incredibly thick and woody, and you can see the roots actively gripping and growing right over the little blue vase nested in the soil. The experiment is a massive success so far! She is anchored in deep and looking incredibly sturdy. 🍽️ The Menu (Nutrients) - Powered by Plagron, Hesi & BioBizz: Continuing to push the bloom nutrients to help these flowers swell. Plagron Green Sensation: (The secret weapon for heavier yields and resin production) BioBizz Bio-Down: Keeping the pH dialed in around 5.9 - 6.0 for the coco mix. 🌿 Plant Progress & Observations: Structure: Bushy and dense. The internodal spacing is tight, which means these colas are going to stack up nicely. Health Check: I am noticing some slight yellowing/crisping on the very tips and edges of some of the older, mid-tier fan leaves. It looks like a little bit of nutrient burn from pushing the bloom feeds, or a slight pH fluctuation. I'll be keeping a close eye on the runoff and might dial the EC back just a fraction on the next watering so she stays happy. 👽 The Garden Guardian: Our heavily tattooed Kewpie garden manager is still holding it down in the corner of the tent. No pests, no bad vibes, just pure Eternity Cup focus! Let the bud swelling begin! Growers Love! 💚
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This week I Supercrop all the plants and spred them out over both lights. One more week of Veg and they are ready to explode Check me out on Instagram @growmorestressless
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Precisei remover a rede de scrog pois tive problemas na coluna e não estava conseguindo cuidar das plantas. Fiz o manejo apenas com LST. Não estou conseguindo corrigir a deficiência d zinco da white widow 2, ja fiz inclusive aplicação foliar mas a deficiência persiste em continuar.
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Helloing 👋🏻friends and visitors. Welclone to my Clone diary🙃 Clones are doing very well, did more defoliation trying to get more light to penetrate the plants and exposing bud sites. Feeding: Tue 14Nov: 2L each with nuts pH'd 6.35 Thu 16Nov: 2L each with nuts pH'd 6.34 Sat 18Nov: 3L each water only pH'd 6.5 -------------------------------------• Hope you enjoy the videos and pictures. Thanks for stopping by, likes and comments are appreciated. Keep on growin! Keep on tokin!!! 😙💨💨💨💨💨
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Beginning week 9 Plans this week: Make a long time lapse while away this weekend - post more photos too Lollipop Tuck and tie a bit Possibly build a second scrog level?? Thoughts anyone?? Research and purchase or build a “grow room controller” - tent: temp, rh, light(?), co2(?) — rez: ph, ec, temp, water level - maybe more stuff like tie in the cameras, also basement temp and rh, fan and lights and pump contro. Nutrient dosing and ph control would be awesome but likely too pricey— but I’m a geek and this will be fun! I’d prefer a prebuilt system but I’m not totally opposed to building an Arduino/pi style solution (reliability and time to get it right are concerns tho - plus I have an arcade cabinet project I’d like to get to soon) — **ANY THOUGHTS OR ADVICE ANYONE??? To do list: I picked up some angle aluminum and I plan to finally make a single frame for the numerous LED lights Mount things to the wall (temp and humidity sensors, timers, utility light, etc) General cleanup and house keeping - wire management etc Install new portable air conditioner in the basement - this will be a bit of a project - casement windows and other issues Hopefully this week: install a utility sink in the basement and tie into the water lines and waste lines of the house (no more carrying water and waste upstairs!!)
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Ginger Nut Cookies & Aussie Music Videos Week 16 Harvest 17 th April 2020 This Entire feminised seed making and growing project was a very good learning experience for me. Right from the very start, when I successfully got a Cutting ,taken from a Barneys Farm Red diesel female plant to produce feminised pollen after treating it with a silver thiosulfate solution. I then used it to pollinate a Fastbuds Girl scout cookies auto plant and let it grow to maturity. This only produced 3 viable seeds one of which is the subject of this Diary. I made up the name "Ginger nut cookies" after a variety of cookies we have here in Australia that are made with ginger. They are the same colour as the distinct red hairs on the red diesel buds. And would you believe those same vivid red hairs were passed on to this plant so I wasn't too far off the mark with the strain name. Her flavour however is nothing like red diesel or girl scout cookies and infact as taken on a smell and aroma all of it's own. She has a lovely tropical fruit like taste and the smell is a bit like fruit yoghurt. It has an unreal after taste on the exhale and the lingering second hand smoke smells very sweet and enticing. She has a pretty well balanced high too not as potent as the GSC nor as energenic as the red diesel but just a pleasant mix of the two. It was a very easy to grow and undemanding plant that didn't seem to require a lot of extra feeding other than the 100% organic nutrients that were within the soil and a few things like compost teas etc. The other element of this diary was of course the weekly Aussie music videos That I provided the links for and put up a little video clip preview of each Artists song. Week 1 Dance Monkey Week 2 Gotye Week 3 AC/DC Week 4 INXS Week 5 Dire straits Week 6 Yothu yindi and Midnight oil Week 7 Divinyls Week 8 Was Request week where I asked growers to pick and because only 3 growers put in a request I decided to choose all three which were Kylie Minogue , Flume & Airbourne Week 9 Paul Kelly Week 10 Daddy Cool Week 11 Cold chisel Week 12 Jimmy Barnes Week 13 The Angels Week 14 Crowded House Hoodoo gurus Mental as Anything Week 15 Empire of the sun Big Pig , Silverchair , Peking duk Grinspoon , Hilltop hoods and the White stripes And Finally for the last lot of music videos I have chosen another multi list bonanza of Aussie Music with the artist/s name and Youtube link below. So in no particular order here are my last choices for this Diary its been a fun grow with a steep learning curve. John Williamson True Blue https://youtu.be/ceWKrsJX9N4 Nick Cave and Kylie Minogue Where the wild roses grow https://youtu.be/lDpnjE1LUvE John Farnham Your the Voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkOZTSvrHs Powderfinger Pick you up https://youtu.be/4Ha-dtNXTM8 Slim Dusty Pub with no beer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I Men At Work Down Under https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s Icehouse Great southern land https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkidP2OUCk Before I go I'd like to thank all of you who read & like my diary updateseach week you are all awesome!! This is a great platform full of great growers and great people : 1: The End.......
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In der fünften Woche habe ich es gewagt. Nachdem ich die Weiße Witwe schon etwas trainiert habe, wurde sie jetzt auch oberhalb des fünften Sprossknotens abgeschnitten. Dazu habe ich meine Nagelschere benutzt (siehe Video), mit der ich mir auch die Fußnägel schneide. 😅 Dann wurde die unterste Nodi noch entfernt. Jetzt hat sie noch vier Nodien übrig, die zu acht Blütenstände wachsen sollen. Es war das erste Mal, dass ich eine Pflanze getoppt habe. Um sie besser runter binden zu können, habe ich einen Haselnusszweig quer über den Topf befestigt. Das macht das Festbinden um einiges leichter. Die Cherry-Lady lasse ich ohne Training etc. wachsen. Sie ist aktuell ca. 40 Zentimeter hoch. Hier werde ich in den nächsten Tagen nur etwas entlauben. Die untersten Blätter können abgemacht werden. Sie sehen nicht sehr gut aus. Die Kirschen-Lady kann auch einen größeren Topf vertragen. Sie wird bald umgetopft. Der PH-Wert der Supermarkt-Blumenerde ist mit etwa 8 zu hoch. Der Idealwert liegt zwischen 6 und 7. Ich werde dafür Rhododendron- und Hortensienerde besorgen. Damit wird ein eigener Mix hergestellt. Solange bleibt sie aber noch in ihrem kleinen Topf, dem ich einen Mantel verpasst habe. Der Jutebeutel soll die Pflanze vor den Trauermücken schützen. Das abgeschnittene Teil der White Widow wird versuchsweise in einen kleinen Anzuchtbehälter gesteckt und ordentlich nass gehalten. Ich bin gespannt, ob es mir gelingt, die Pflanze zu klonen. peace & love
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Week 7 seems to be going fine from my house and then I go to the grow 🤣 well fukc me I’ve ran into few problems let um get abit too dey for their liking the week leading up to Christmas / gave um a good feeding with week 7s nutes and peeled back abit of the fan leaves to get more light around , humidifier broke on us didn’t notice for 2 days so tent was 70 percent humid when gone to check , new humidifier replaced and back on track as I said earlier peeled back a few fan leaves think maybe a few too many plants started showing signs of stress soon after again these are autos and I think it could of stunted if not heavily affected the end product also we noticed about 3 weeks into this grow we had way too many plants in the tent starting to see the effects off that now a lot of nonsense on the lower branches and only really the top Lola’s getting the light and the mass , all the same seed bar 4 plants and very differnt plants all in all , definitely not a strain that’s been mastered about half are tall and spaced out and the others are short and very stacked from my own eye I’d say the shorter and more stacked buds will be the ones bearing more fruit the taller ones look very skinny and airy still
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ok so its been about another 2-3 weeks flowering is going well ive added 2 top feeds of down to earth flower and rose mix 3 tbsp to each the auto and the veg 2tbs to mother clones and an a half feed few days back. cuts this round were signifcantly stronger, and longer. Well for the Gorilla Zkittlez, the Og is very slow in the vegative and i took 3, fairly larger clones, a bit too large for the propagation dome so they're cramped.I soaked the rapid rooting pods in a light compost tea to experiment ( ideas from youtube). Planted a total of 7 more seeds due to unsuccessful cloning and desire to explore variety, 'tis the spice of life, 1 x Auto colorado cookies 1 x og kush 3 x amherst sour diesel 3 x skywalker ghost (emerald seeds) new dairy coming from them after a solid week or 2 of steady growth
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They really recovered from the rot... Roots look quite white again and all seem to almost double in size each day Watertemp still very high with 26°C but they seem to like it Transplanted them to the big tank at the end of the week
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Fo' Twenny Back with another update on this awesome little Northern Light Blue Auto from Delicious Seeds! I have been giving plain tap water run through 2 KDF filters as of 9/5 and I moved her into the bloom room under quantum boards set on 12/12 to make room for the next run and maybe help her finish faster. 9/9 - She seems to be bulking up a bit in her last few days, but I waited a day too long to water and got she started to wilt/droop a bit. So, there are a few dead/brown leaves I've been having to pick out of her and thus begins pre-harvest defoliation. 9/13 - More defoliation and put her in a loosely sealed box to give 48-72 hours darkness. Harvest, coming soon. 9/15 - Checked her today and she could still use another day to dry out. I have never tried the darkness before harvest thing, but a lot of growers swear by it. So, I figure, why not? I will let her go until she is a bit drier and then give her the chop! Thanks for checking out my diary. If you liked this diary, check out my other diaries and give me a follow! Until next time... Peace ☮️, Love 💚, And Frosty Nugs ❄️🌲! -Fo'Twenny
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✂️🍯 Tical x Zamnesia — Nectar Drip | Drying & Trimming Report 🍯✂️ And… we are back again 😄 Yes — we are dividing the reports once more. At this point it is probably becoming part of the diary itself, but honestly, there is simply too much happening during these runs to compress everything into one giant update without losing important moments along the way. So thank you for the patience. And welcome back to the next chapter of our Nectar Drip journey: the drying, the trimming, the resin collecting, the temple balls, and the beginning of the cure. 🌱 Quick Recap For anyone arriving only now: This run was grown from seed under 12/12 lighting from the beginning. No long vegetative phase. No giant training sessions. No massive shaping. Just letting the genetics express themselves naturally while observing: - structure, - morphology, - resin production, - flower behavior, - and overall cultivar personality. Last week reflected the harvest itself: - trichome maturity, - fading colors, - hanging branches, - macro photography, - stem structure, - and final harvest observations. One of the smaller plants was frozen immediately after harvest for future washing and extraction work, which we will still cover in a dedicated future update once we complete the washing process properly. But this week? This week belongs to the dry flowers. And honestly… these girls became something beautiful. Drying Process The flowers dried for roughly 10 days under controlled conditions: - approximately 18–20°C - around 60% RH - with the first couple of days closer to 45% RH to help release initial surface moisture safely This part matters far more than many people realize. Drying is not simply: “waiting until the plant becomes dry.” It is controlled moisture migration. The outside of the flower always dries first. The inside stays wetter longer. And the goal is slowing that process down enough for: - chlorophyll breakdown, - smoother smoke, - terpene preservation, - proper moisture redistribution, - and stable curing afterward. Dry too fast? The outside crisps while the inside traps moisture. Dry too slowly? Risk increases: - mold, - anaerobic conditions, - terpene degradation, - unstable cure. These Nectar Drip girls dried beautifully. Dense flowers. Excellent structure. No rushed drying. No hay smell. No collapse. Just slow clean progression. And when the branches finally gave that satisfying “click” instead of bending… we knew it was time 😄 ✂️ Trimming Time So: gloves on, trim bin ready, studio lights running, music playing quietly in the background, Mr. Baggy supervising operations as always 😄 …and branch by branch, the process began. We trimmed entirely by hand using Zamnesia curved-point scissors. And honestly, these scissors became one of our favorite trimming tools. The pointed curved tip allows: - deeper precision, - cleaner access between calyxes, - easier sugar leaf removal, - less accidental flower damage, - and better control overall on dense compact flowers. Especially important on cultivars like this one. Because Nectar Drip became DENSE. Not airy. Not fluffy. Proper compact greasy flowers. The kind that fight back while trimming 😄 Every branch had to be broken down carefully: - separating buds individually, - removing excess leaf material, - preserving flower shape, - protecting trichome coverage, - and trying not to spend half the trimming session glued to the scissors. And yes… the resin production here was honestly ridiculous. 🖤 Resin Everywhere This cultivar is oily. Not just frosty visually. Oily physically. The gloves became coated quickly. The scissors accumulated thick dark resin constantly. The trim bin slowly filled with golden material underneath. And every few minutes we found ourselves scraping resin from: - gloves, - scissors, - fingers, - and tools. That sticky dark material eventually became beautiful little temple balls. And honestly? The way this resin behaved says a lot about the quality of the cultivar. Some resin stays dry and crumbly. This one softened almost instantly with minimal heat. Just body temperature alone was enough to: - soften, - bind, - darken, - and become workable. Extremely greasy resin. Extremely rich trichome expression. The little temple balls became: dark, soft, sticky, shiny, and incredibly aromatic. Beautiful medicine already before even curing properly. 🏆 Final Dry Numbers And now the final flower numbers for the dried plants: 🌱 337.3 grams dry flower Plus: the frozen material resting in the freezer for future washing and extraction work. And honestly? Very happy with these numbers. Especially considering: - the quality, - density, - resin production, - flower structure, - and the overall level of expression these girls delivered. This was not “big yield but average flower.” This was genuinely high-quality medicine. 📦 Storage & Beginning The Cure After trimming: the flowers were placed into glass jars for curing. The temple balls also rest curing slowly inside glass. And now another important phase begins: time. Because curing changes everything. Terpenes settle. Moisture equalizes. Harshness fades. Aromas deepen. Smoke smooths out. The cultivar slowly reveals its final personality. And honestly? This Nectar Drip already smells incredible. Sweet. Creamy. Fruity. Almonds.Dark. Warm. Slightly candy-like. With this deep resinous backend that keeps evolving every day. The room smelled unbelievable during trimming. At some moments it genuinely felt like opening: fruit candy, fuel, cream, and warm resin all at once. Very unique profile. Very memorable. 📸 Documentation & Studio Sessions Of course, we documented almost everything: - trimming time-lapses, - resin collection, - temple ball formation, - close-up flower shots, - drying branches, - sticky gloves, - macro details, - cinematic studio moments, - and behind-the-scenes chaos 😄 Because honestly… these moments matter too. A grow diary becomes more than just showing finished buds after enough weeks. It becomes documentation: - of process, - mistakes, - lessons, - atmosphere, - obsession, - patience, - and passion. And this run definitely carried all of that. ⏳ What Comes Next? Next update will probably become the final chapter: - curing review, - smoke report, - terpene evolution, - effect profile, - overall strain impressions, - and our honest final thoughts about this Tical x Zamnesia collaboration after living with the medicine properly. And honestly… we are extremely excited for that one. Because this cultivar already feels very special. 🙏 Final Thanks And as always… thank you. To Zamnesia. To Tical. To Plagron. To F.O.G. To Lumiflora. To the gear. To the platform. To the supporters. To the silent followers. To the OGs still here since day one. To the curious new visitors. To the people learning quietly in the background. To the skeptics. To the lovers. To the haters too 😄 And to everybody who stopped scrolling long enough to spend even a few moments here with us. That alone deserves gratitude. This collaboration genuinely feels special. And honestly… I still feel like Nectar Drip has one more beautiful chapter left before this journey fully ends. 📡 DELETED @ 1K Please stay tuned.we never quit https://www.youtube.com/@TheDogDoctorOfficial NEW 🙏 Thank you for your patience and continued support. FOR DISCOUNT CODES AND MORE JUST FOLLOW THE LINK https://website.beacons.ai/dogdoctorofficial 📲 Don’t forget to Subscribe and follow me on Instagram and YouTube @DogDoctorOfficial for exclusive content, real-time updates, and behind-the-scenes magic. We’ve got so much more coming, including transplanting and all the amazing techniques that go along with it. You won’t want to miss it. 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Trust me, you won’t want to miss the next steps, let’s push the boundaries of indoor horticulture together! As always, this is shared for educational purposes, aiming to spread understanding and appreciation for this plant. Let’s celebrate it responsibly and continue to learn and grow together. With true love comes happiness. Always believe in yourself, and always do things expecting nothing and with an open heart. Be a giver, and the universe will give back in ways you could never imagine. 💚 Growers love to all 💚 📸 P.S. – The Eye Behind the Lens All photos in this diary (for now — except for the ones showing the camera, which I took with an iPhone) are taken with a Sony A6700 paired with a Sony full-frame macro lens and a few more. Photography is part of the story — it’s how we share the fine textures, the glow, and the quiet details that words can’t always capture. I’ve also started experimenting with photo stacking — a technique where multiple images, each taken at a slightly different focus point, are layered together to create one perfectly sharp image from front to back. It’s not digital enhancement or AI; it’s pure photography — a way to reveal the plant’s beauty in microscopic depth, from trichome to petal. You’ll even see a few shots of "ghost me" capturing the shots — camera, lens, setup — because every grow deserves not just to be cultivated, but documented like art. FOR DISCOUNT CODES AND MORE JUST FOLLOW THE LINK https://website.beacons.ai/dogdoctorofficial NEW DISCORD - Official Server Invite Link : https://discord.gg/ksjAkA5T74
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Hello growers! It’s been a calm week. I’m just watering and watching the buds grow bigger each day. It’s pure joy to see everything developing just the way it should. Peace and happy growing! ✌️
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Day 56 The plant appears noticeably droopy, with many of its leaves hanging downward rather than extending outward. The foliage is mostly green, but some leaves show slight curling and a softer structure, giving the plant a tired or stressed appearance. Several stems display a purplish tint, which stands out against the green leaves. The upper growth looks slightly twisted, and the developing flower sites are visible but not yet dense. Overall, the plant shows a less upright and vigorous stance compared to the others, displaying a mix of healthy green areas and parts that appear weakened or drooping
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Another record for veg time thanks to the solar lights...there was a lot of rain this week but she is surviving. I am looking forward to switching her to flower anytime soon.
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🌿🔍 Week 7: Trichome Wonderland and Final Push! 🌿🔍 Hey there! Here's your weekly update with all the exciting developments in my grow: 🌸 The Smell is Popping: Week 7 brings a delightful aroma to my grow space. The scents are becoming more pronounced and captivating. 🌬️👃 🌈 Colors Galore: The plants are showing off their vibrant colors as the flowers mature. You'll notice burpling on the leaves and the emergence of orange and red hairs on The Queen plant. LOVE IT ! 🌺🎨 💧 pH and TDS Levels: Throughout the entire flower stage, my pH has remained steady at 6.33. That's great! As for the TDS levels, they currently stand at 750ppm and 1150ppm, providing the necessary nutrients for your plants. ⚖️🌱 ⏳ Flowering Progress: The Queen is proving to be a quick finisher, with only 46 days of flowering under her belt. She's looking almost ready, and it's time to grab my handy DIY microscope to examine the trichomes closely. Keep an eye for the desired level of ripeness! 🔍🌿⌛ 🍪 Oreo Big Stuff: Although not as far along as The Queen, the Oreo Big Stuff will need an additional week of flowering before she reaches her peak. 🍪⚡ 🌿 Zweet Og: The Zweet Og requires a bit more patience. It looks like it will need at least two more weeks before it's ready for harvest. Keep monitoring her progress and let her mature fully. 🕒👀🌿 🧐 Drying Dilemma: Unfortunately, I currently am facing a problem with drying The Queen. She's positioned on the back left side of the grow tent with a scrog, making it challenging to remove her without disturbing the others. It's a tricky situation indeed! 😬🌿🏋️‍♂️ 🌱 Future Plans: Despite this dilemma, overall, I'm extremely happy with how things are going. No herms or other issues have arisen, which is fantastic news. I'm even planning to do another run with The Queen, as I already have six clones ready to be transitioned into flowering immediately after this run. Exciting times ahead, especially since it'll be my first time flowering clones! 🌼🌿🌿 That's all for this week's update. Happy growing, lads, and remember to stay high on positivity! If you need any assistance or have any questions, feel free to ask. 🌿💪🌿✨
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This week i thought i should gave the Phosphor plus from hesi but ist was zu much and same nutrien Burnout started