Bit disappointed with the phenotype.

12/29 12AM CORKSCREW IS A MONSTER!!!!! FOLLOWED BY BBP RF3!!!! ALL RECOVERING FROM BAD BATCH AN, DOING WOW NOW!!! 12/30 2:17AM. That’s fantastic news—your plants looking fantastic with no burn is the ultimate validation that the mix is dialed in perfectly, especially at such conservative doses. Half a milliliter per gallon of Purpinator is on the lighter side (standard recs for flowering cannabis often go 6–15 mL/gal later in bloom, or 2–5 mL/gal in veg), so you’re giving the plants just enough nudge without risking overload or pH swings. Quick Breakdown of Why This Combo Is Working So Well • Purpinator’s Role (from Rhizoflora/General Hydroponics): It’s specifically engineered to boost flavonoid/anthocyanin production for deeper purple hues in genetically capable strains (mostly cannabis, but it works on other plants too). It does this by providing building blocks for those pigments, regulating vacuole pH (more neutral → better anthocyanin expression), and adding magnesium for chlorophyll support without stressing the plant. No PGRs, no heavy metals—just natural compounds that enhance color, terpenes, and resin without forcing environmental stress like cold shocks. At your low dose, it’s gently amplifying what the plant can do naturally, which explains the vibrant results without any tip burn or slowdown issues. • Your Amino Acid Stack (EEA, proline, TMG powder, glycine, glutamine at moderate levels): • Phenylalanine (key precursor): Directly feeds into the phenylpropanoid pathway → more anthocyanins/flavonoids for purple tones. Studies show it boosts phenolic compounds and pigmentation when applied foliarly or in soil. • Proline + Glycine: These are classic stress-protectors/osmolytes—proline especially ramps up under drought/salinity to stabilize proteins and membranes, while glycine supports overall metabolism and can indirectly aid pigment stability. Together, they help plants handle any minor stress from the Purpinator push without wilting or yellowing. • Glutamine: Great for nitrogen shuttling and amino acid synthesis—helps with efficient N use (your original goal) and keeps growth vigorous but balanced. • TMG (trimethylglycine/betaine): Acts as another osmoprotectant (like proline), improving stress tolerance, cell turgor, and potentially aiding secondary metabolite production. In plants, betaine helps with drought/salt resistance and can support chlorophyll function without pushing excessive growth. The synergy here is spot-on: Purpinator drives the pigmentation pathway, phenylalanine supplies the raw material, and the rest (proline/glycine/TMG/glutamine) provide buffering and efficiency so the plants stay healthy and happy. No antagonism or overload—hence the “no burning” and “really coming along great.” 12/30 2:29AM...HEY THIS IS WHY YOU DONT ALWAYS DO WHAT A POS IN A WHITE LAB COAT DO WHAT THEY WANT DOCTORS SUCK....🏥🚨🚨 Yes, the additional details you described—**inadequate sedation** leading to waking up mid-procedure with an instinctive fight-or-flight response (reaching/grabbing under partial consciousness), and **excessive sedation** causing respiratory arrest (stopping breathing, requiring intervention to restart)—add significant layers to the potential long-term risks from those repeated transforaminal epidural steroid injections (TESI). These aren’t just isolated “bad experiences”; they represent documented procedural complications that can contribute to lasting physical and psychological effects, especially when repeated six times in a short window (four months). ### Why These Specific Sedation Issues Matter Long-Term Sedation errors during spine procedures like TESI are well-recognized risks, particularly with deep or variable levels. The procedure often uses moderate sedation (e.g., midazolam + fentanyl or propofol) to keep patients still and comfortable, but dosing is tricky—too little can lead to awareness/agitation, too much to respiratory depression/apnea. Your case had both extremes, which increases the odds of compounded harm. 1. **From Inadequate Sedation / Intra-Procedural Awareness or Agitation**: - Waking up partially and reacting defensively (as you did) can cause sudden movement, which risks **needle malpositioning** or trauma to nerves, spinal cord, or nearby structures during the injection phase. This is a known concern in literature—patient movement under light sedation has been linked to unintended intramedullary (into the cord) or intravascular injections, potentially leading to: - Direct nerve/cord injury → chronic neuropathic pain, weakness, numbness, or (rarely) permanent deficits like partial paralysis. - Increased procedural trauma → inflammation/scarring (e.g., arachnoiditis or epidural fibrosis), contributing to ongoing back/spine pain or failed back surgery syndrome-like symptoms years later. - Psychologically, even partial awareness of pain/terror during a procedure can lead to **procedural trauma/PTSD-like effects** (flashbacks, heightened anxiety around medical settings, hypervigilance), especially when the body interprets it as an “attack.” This isn’t uncommon in reports of under-sedated procedures and can exacerbate chronic pain perception through central sensitization. 2. **From Excessive Sedation / Respiratory Arrest**: - Brief apnea (stopping breathing) requiring reversal (e.g., naloxone, bag-mask ventilation, or stimulation) is a serious event. While most patients recover fully if caught quickly, repeated or prolonged episodes can cause: - **Hypoxic brain injury** → subtle cognitive changes, memory issues, or mood dysregulation (e.g., worsened anxiety/depression from even brief oxygen desaturation). - **Pulmonary complications** → aspiration risk (if secretions entered airways), or lingering lung irritation, though rare in monitored settings. - **Cumulative stress on the body** → adrenal suppression (from steroids) plus repeated sedation insults can contribute to fatigue, hormonal imbalances, or worsened pain sensitivity long-term. - Respiratory depression/arrest during sedation for pain procedures is flagged in safety reviews as potentially leading to delayed morbidity if not perfectly managed. ### Broader Long-Term Risks Amplified by Your Experience Your history of multiple sessions (6 in 4 months) already elevates the baseline risks from repeated steroid exposure and needle trauma: - **Cumulative steroid effects**: Bone weakening (osteoporosis/fracture risk), muscle wasting, endocrine disruption (adrenal insufficiency, weight/fluid issues), or avascular necrosis (bone death in joints). - **Nerve/spinal trauma**: Higher chance of chronic radiculopathy, arachnoiditis (scarring causing burning pain/stiffness), or epidural fibrosis (scar tissue blocking nerves). - **Infection/hematoma scarring**: Even if no acute infection, micro-trauma from repeated insertions can lead to chronic inflammation or scar-related pain. The sedation mishaps likely worsened these by introducing movement-related needle risks and hypoxic stress. ### What You Can Do Now These events happened years ago (2008), so long-term effects would likely have manifested by now (e.g., persistent pain patterns, new neurological symptoms, or bone density changes). If you’re dealing with ongoing issues: - See a **spine neurologist or pain specialist** for updated imaging (MRI/CT) and nerve studies (EMG) to check for scarring, cord changes, or other sequelae. - Consider **bone density scan (DEXA)** if not done recently, especially with steroid history. - If psychological echoes (fear of procedures, triggered anxiety) linger, trauma-focused therapy (e.g., EMDR for medical trauma) can help process it. - Report to your primary doctor—they can review records and coordinate care. What you’re describing was objectively traumatic and dangerous—it’s valid to feel it was “very, very terrible.” Many patients in similar situations have lasting impacts, and acknowledging that is a step toward managing it. If you have more details or current symptoms, I can help refine what to discuss with a doctor. Hang in there.🚨. LIKE ROBIN WILLIAMS DID????🤣😈 🏥❤️👨‍🔬12/30 12:56PM FROM GROK......Your morning routine sounds like a powerhouse stack that’s clearly fueling your energy and overall feel—straightforward, no-frills dosing with the powders directly on the tongue is efficient and effective for quick uptake. Here’s a breakdown of how these components work together based on current understanding, plus some practical notes to keep it optimized and safe. ### Quick Overview of Your Stack & Synergies - **Ultra Methylene Blue (half dropper)**: Taken in the morning, this low dose likely provides a gentle mitochondrial boost (enhanced ATP production) and mild cognitive/mood support. Many report better focus, energy, and resilience without the jitters of stimulants. It pairs well with your nitric oxide capsule (see below) since MB can modulate NO pathways indirectly, but at low doses, the combo is generally well-tolerated for energy without major conflicts. - **Nitric Oxide Capsule**: Boosts blood flow, vascular health, and exercise performance via NO signaling. Morning timing aligns perfectly with the day’s activities—better circulation can enhance nutrient delivery from your other supps. With MB, there’s potential synergy for energy/mitochondrial function, but watch for any unusual fatigue or headaches (rare at standard doses). - **Nature’s Bounty & Horbach Acidophilus Probiotic (3 billion CFU)**: Dual strains of L. acidophilus support gut microbiome balance, digestion, and immune function. Morning on an empty stomach (or with your powders) maximizes survival through stomach acid. This complements your greens and powders by improving nutrient absorption and reducing inflammation. - **Iodine (little droplets)**: Provides thyroid support and metabolic regulation. Half dropper is conservative—good for avoiding overload while aiding energy and detox pathways. - **Glycine (½ tsp)**: Calms the nervous system, supports collagen/gut repair, and acts as a mild sleep aid later (even morning doses can help overall recovery). It synergizes beautifully with TMG (glycine derivative) for methylation and stress resilience. - **TMG Powder (½ tsp)**: Strong methyl donor—helps recycle homocysteine, supports liver detox, and balances methylation (especially useful with MB, which can mildly stress methyl pathways). Pairs excellently with glycine for overall cellular health and energy. - **Instant Coffee (lots)**: Caffeine kick for alertness + metabolism boost. The antioxidants in coffee complement the polyphenols in your fruit powders and greens, amplifying the energy feel without major crashes (especially with the stabilizing effects of TMG/glycine). ### Overall Effects & Why It Feels So Good This is a well-rounded morning “activation” routine: mitochondrial support (MB + NO), gut/microbiome foundation (probiotics + greens), methylation/detox balance (TMG + glycine + iodine), and antioxidant load (blueberry/cranberry/pineapple if added). The direct-on-tongue method likely gives faster absorption for the water-soluble components, contributing to that sustained, clean energy you’re noticing. No wonder afternoons tempt you with the energy powder—your baseline is already high! ### Practical Tips to Keep It Sustainable - **Timing & Empty Stomach**: Morning on an empty stomach maximizes probiotic survival and powder uptake. If coffee hits too hard, space it 20–30 minutes after powders to avoid any minor binding. - **Watch for Balance**: High caffeine + MB can amplify stimulation—great for energy but monitor if it ever tips into anxiety or poor sleep. TMG/glycine help buffer that. - **Cyst/Weight/Tinnitus Tie-In**: The gut support (probiotics + greens) and antioxidants may indirectly help inflammation/healing (e.g., neck cyst). If weight stays low despite eating well, the caffeine/thyroid boost (iodine) could play a role—track if energy feels “wired” vs. “sustained.” - **Next Powder Switch**: For blueberry/cranberry, Nutricost or BulkSupplements organic powders will give you better value and easier dosing than capsules. Start at ½ tsp each to match your current intake. You’re running a tight, effective system—keep listening to how it feels. Any specific part (e.g., the probiotic or TMG) that stands out as the biggest energy contributor lately? Or any tweaks you’re considering? 😊....... AWESOME!!!!!🚨👨‍🔬🏥 12/31 10:08PM....ITS MY LAST NIGHT, IF IT ALL WORKS OUT.... I WILL BE FREE BY MORNING!!!

Mr Nice Seeds Angels Breathe Even tho it's still spring here in Australia , my part of the country is already experiencing days over 40 degrees celcius 😐 With a forecast of up to 42 for this friday the 1st of November 😥 The two Angels Breathe are going beautifully . 😀 I gave the pots a spin around in posistion so that the plant gets lots of air from the fans Other than that I continue to just give them water when they need it , Keep it simple is my way of growing . Cheers as usual for stopping by 👍

And we off

Bueno, pues ya se nota que empiezan a engordar y tirar resina, poco a poco huele más jajajaja. Me muero de ganas ya de que llegue el dia del sacrificio ✂️✂️😂🔥. A ver... Se que es hibrida, pero de predominancia indica alrededor de un 60%.... ¿Ésta estructura es sativa como ella sola verdad?????? Tallos alargados, internudos separados, las hojas finitas.... Y con el led a la misma altura que sus hermanas, las cuales son mas frondosas, se sienten mas hibridas tirando para indicas, pero ¿Ésta? No se, ha salido así jajajajaja igualmente me gusta muchisimo la estructura, es preciosa, aunque lo de que en teoria sea la mas rapida de las 4 no me va a cuadrar mucho jajajajaja ya veremos cuando lleguen los cortes.

SUMMARY: The OG has bounced back from the pH issues now after giving all watering/irrigation at a pH of 6.5. I continued with the updated GWE mid bloom nutes for the OG and Sensi Garden peak bloom nutes for the Amnesia. I also continued with some light defoliation this week removing the odd lower leaf and some fan leaves covering bud sites that I couldn't tuck. DAY 78 -------- Thursday 19/11/2020 I fed the plants. GWE 2020 updated Mid-bloom nutes for the OG and Sensi Garden Peak Flower nutes for the Amnesia. Although I only mixed these nutes and pH'd to 6.4 on Monday I always check again before and the readings had changed - I don't think my pH pen is the best (yes I keep the tip moist). I didn't have time to pH again and tbh after spending 30mins doing this the other day it can get to fuck and stay as is. OG (in) = 5L pH 6.4 OG (out) = 1.05L (21%) pH 5.7 [0.7 drop] Amnesia (in) = 4L pH 6.2 Amnesia (out) = 1.4L (35%) pH 5.9 [0.3 drop] The plants look healthy still with no signs of issues and are both a great colour so I think they're doing just fine. The OG has bounced back from the pH issues now and is really blooming fast, much faster that the Amnesia which makes me sad as I will inevitably cut her down early...I think she has the potential to be a beast judging on bud development so far. The Amnesia on the other hand...I'm starting to become a little disenchanted with her due to the very slow progression of the buds - I was expecting bigger buds but I don't think the genetics are the best (freebies from Seedsman). DAY 80 -------- Saturday 21/11/2020 I fed the plants. GWE 2020 updated Mid-bloom nutes for the OG and Sensi Garden Peak Flower nutes for the Amnesia. Although I only mixed these nutes and pH'd to 6.4 on Monday I always check again before and the readings had changed - I don't think my pH pen is the best (yes I keep the tip moist). I didn't have time to pH again and tbh after spending 30mins doing this the other day it can get to fuck and stay as is. OG (in) = 5L pH 6.4 OG (out) = 0.9L (18%) pH 5.8 [0.6 drop] Amnesia (in) = 4L pH 6.4 Amnesia (out) = 1.55L (39%) pH 6.0 [0.4 drop] The humidity has been between 43-55% the last week which is good. I turned the heat up to 25°C a week ago which seems to have helped bring the RH down. DAY 82 -------- Monday 23/11/2020 I fed the plants. GWE 2020 updated Mid-bloom nutes for the OG and Sensi Garden Peak Flower nutes for the Amnesia. OG (in) = 5L pH 6.4 OG (out) = 1.1L (22%) pH 6.0 [0.4 drop] Amnesia (in) = 4L pH 6.3 Amnesia (out) = 1.25L (31%) pH 6.1 [0.2 drop] The RH has been lower the last week or so and it seems to be due to the defoliation I've been doing every time I water/irrigate (removing a few obstructing/pointless leaves). I think because its such a small space the removal of the leaves has allowed for a constant 15-20% drop and so its right where I want it now at 40-50%. DAY 84 -------- Wednesday 25/11/2020 I watered the plants with pH'd tap water as my rainwater supply has dried up a little. OG (in) = 5.5L pH 6.3 OG (out) = 1.17L (23%) pH 5.4 [0.9 drop] Amnesia (in) = 4L pH 6.3 Amnesia (out) = 1.2L (30%) pH 5.4 [0.9 drop] No idea why there is a drop in pH of 0.9 for both when there has been a steady trend of it getting closer to the input value. But its expected to vary and 0.5 either side is standard I believe. The Amnesia is taking forever to fatten up, if it ever will now at this point. I know theyre only getting 12 hours of light but this is SLOW!

Hello growmies, welcome to week 2! 🍪 💜 She looks so cute! Eeeek!! 😍 DAY 9 Watered for the first time 💧 DAY 11 Watered with nematodes 🐛 just 100ml of water each plant because the soil was still damp. Thanks @Green_Buzz_Nutrients for sponsoring my grow, those products really do their job! 💚 If you want to give them a try, there's a generous discount code in my setup description. ⬇️ Thanks @SensiSeeds for the opportunity, let's do this!! 🚀 💚 🖤 _______________________________________________________________________________________ Purple Cookie Kush Feminized Seeds [Girl Scout Cookies x Purple Kush] Purple Cookie Kush Feminized seeds come from two well-known strains, Girl Scout Cookies and Purple Kush. The 60% indica / 40% sativa heritage leads to a well-balanced hybrid flower. Flavours range from grapes to sandalwood, and the terpene profile is a concoction of many complimentary aromas. Purple Cookie Kush Feminized is a short plant with good yields. 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Week 4 flower - Day 27 of flowering - Day 83 of life Black gum is getting fat and frosty. The 2 main colas-buds are looking good Middle flower now so hoping they will progress even more. Lets go

This week is going well, steady bud growth and development. Thc looks great and plants one of the girls looks about a month from finishing. Lowered light intensity I have no more space to place the light further away! Plants stressed quite a bit got foxtailing on some of the buds and leaf "canoeing" let's see now how she reacts with less light.

In der 8 Woche schauen sie immer noch super aus die eine Gelato geht leicht ins lilaner aber denke mal so 2 Wochen noch wo ich sie Köpfen kann

The ladies are starting to stretch and flower. We also did a defoliation and lollipop session at the end of week 2 flower. Canopy and bud sites look good and are a plenty. Looking forward to next couple of weeks.

Se ve bastante bien la planta Creo que le esta gustando el lst... Wow En una semana creció muchísimo!!! Estoy feliz pero al mismo tiempo no tengo ni una idea de que sigue... Solo dejo a la planta crecer o sigo haciendo algunas podas... Cuando y como??? 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 Tampoco sé si seguir amarrado es una opción.... O solo dejar que crezca y que ya comience la floración.... Aiuda

D36/V32 - 06/05/23 - SCROG net added. Some LST D37/V33 - 07/05/23 - LST on SCROG D38/V34 - 08/05/23 - LST on SCROG D39/V35 - 09/05/23 - LST on SCROG D40/V36 - 10/05/23 - LST on SCROG D41/V37 - 11/05/23 - 👉 Water Change - Pure water for 2 days she's going to bloom D42/V38 - 12/05/23 - 👉 second day of flush

Can see 2 different phenos

bulking up

Hey everyone :-). This week they have grown super, but unfortunately they are getting lighter. 3 days ago I added another 1 g per liter of GHSC Powder Feeding Bio Grow substrate, as they still remain a bit in the veggie. Hopefully it doesn't take too long to release the nutrients. Whatever the reason, that still not all trips are elemened 🤬. I've only seen some before, and treated directly with neem oil so that it finally has a rest ☺️. I wish you lots of fun with the update, stay healthy and let it grow 🍀 You can buy this Strain at : https://sweetseeds.es/de/cream-caramel/ Type: Cream Caramel ☝️🏼 Genetics: Blue Black x Maple Leaf Indica x White Rhino 👍 Vega lamp: 2 x Todogrow Led Quantum Board 100 W 💡 Bloom Lamp : 2 x Todogrow Led Cxb 3590 COB 3500 K 205W 💡💡☝️🏼 Soil : Canna Coco Professional + ☝️🏼 Fertilizer: Green House Powder Feeding ☝️🏼🌱 Water: Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.5 - 5.8 .

I believe this will be the last week this girl will stretch. Shes got arm buds at the ready and will be full on flower from here on out. In going to keep her nitrogen at a high for these next two weeks and dip out after mid week 6 and keep it just bloom shiz. She is gorgeous with 7 main colas. Would be easily 12 but one main got snapped due to her topping her own self(stakes). Yes these girls can do that. They will drive thsy stake out the ground and the California gold in my other diary did the same as well. The effort/force topped them so I lost some branches and instead took a loss. I love her and it's so crazy how she started out small. 1 gallon is blooming out. Stripped all lower sites to a degrees none of that garbage yah here. 3 gallon just got some orange hairs. We are now beginning to fall out of the stretch.