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Servus Moin! Die Devils Cookies machen sich super. Sie müssen nur noch knapp 5 Wochen ausharren bis es in die 2L Töpfe geht.
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🎂 Rocko’s Cake Off 🍰🍪💚 Tag 15–21 | Die Katze ist aus dem Sack! Die Kleinen entwickeln sich erstaunlich gleichmäßig. Diese Woche gab’s zum ersten Mal etwas Fish-Mix – kam richtig gut an! 🌱 Einmal habe ich die Kleinen etwas zu trocken werden lassen. Haben sie mir aber nicht lange übel genommen und sich schnell wieder erholt.💧 Äußerlich war der kleinen Rasselbande noch immer nicht anzusehen, wer hier eigentlich Männlein oder Weiblein ist. Also ging die Post ins Labor – Realtime-PCR statt Rätselraten! Und jetzt ist die Katze aus dem Sack: Acht Kandidaten, drei Mädels! Zwei Peaches & Cream und eine White Gushers Cake. Und das Beste: Meine Favoriten haben es tatsächlich in die Damenmannschaft geschafft! ✅♀️😎 Besonders Peaches & Cream #2 hatte sich mit ihren auffälligen Praying Leaves schon früh verdächtig gemacht. Die Kleine stand als Einzige da, als wollte sie sich freiwillig melden.⬆️ 😂 Die drei Mädels bekommen ihre Plätze: Zwei ziehen später in 25-Liter-Stofftöpfe mit frischem Substrat, die Dritte bekommt wahrscheinlich einen kleineren Topf an der Seite. Vorher gibt’s allerdings neue Schuhe: Diese Woche sollen sie erstmal in 3,5-Liter-Zwischentöpfe umziehen. Die bisherigen sind langsam doch etwas knapp geworden. Vielleicht wird auch schon das erste Mal getoppt. Geplant ist grundsätzlich ein Double Pruning, um die Pflanzen kompakt und buschig zu halten. Besonders die White Gushers Cake soll schließlich nicht gleich das ganze Zelt überwuchern. Deshalb gibt’s in der Vegi jetzt zusätzlich einen höheren Blauanteil durch die LED-Leisten. 💙 Auch den VPD werde ich langsam anheben. Bisher lief das Klima noch eher auf Sämlingsniveau. Fazit: Drei Mädels, die richtigen Favoriten erwischt und die nächsten Schritte stehen fest. Kann man nicht meckern! 😎 📢 Kleinanzeige: Fünf junge Männer zum Mitreisen abzugeben! 🎡🤣 Jung, knackig, gut erzogen und voller Tatendrang. Leider im falschen Casting gelandet. Bei Interesse einfach melden! 😉 Bake a sweeter tomorrow 💟&☮️ 🎂 Rocko’s Cake Off 🍰🍪💚 Day 15–21 | The Cat’s Out of the Bag! The little ones are developing surprisingly evenly. This week they got their first taste of Fish-Mix – and they absolutely loved it! 🌱 I accidentally let them dry out a little too much one day. But they didn't hold a grudge for long and bounced right back. 💧 There was still no way to tell just by looking at this little bunch of troublemakers who was male and who was female. So off went the samples to the lab – Realtime PCR instead of playing the guessing game! And now the cat's out of the bag: Eight candidates, three ladies! Two Peaches & Cream and one White Gushers Cake. And the best part? My personal favorites actually made it onto the girls' team! ✅♀️😎 Peaches & Cream #2 in particular had already raised some suspicions with her striking praying leaves. She was the only one standing there like she was volunteering to answer a question. ⬆️😂 The three ladies have earned their spots: Two will eventually move into 25-liter fabric pots with fresh substrate, while the third will probably get a smaller pot on the side. But first, it's time for some new shoes! This week they'll move into 3.5-liter intermediate pots. Their current ones are getting a little too tight. There might even be some topping involved already. The general plan is double pruning to keep the plants compact and bushy. Especially White Gushers Cake – we don't want her taking over the entire tent just yet! That's also why I've added some extra blue light during veg using the LED bars. 💙 I'll gradually increase the VPD as well. So far, the climate has still been running more at seedling levels. Conclusion: Three ladies, my favorites made the cut, and the next steps are all lined up. Can't complain about that! 😎 📢 Classified Ad: Five young gentlemen available for relocation! 🎡🤣 Young, vigorous, well-behaved, and full of energy. Unfortunately, they showed up for the wrong casting call. Anyone interested, just give me a shout! 😉 Bake a sweeter tomorrow. 💟&☮️
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Sorte: Voodoo von Wizard Trees (3x) Status: Vegiphase Toppen & Umtopfen abgeschlossen! ✂️🌱 📊 Umweltbedingungen & Setup Beleuchtung: GC Pure 💡 Abstand: ca. 65 cm Temperatur: 23 °C 🌡️ Konstant & optimal Luftfeuchtigkeit (RLF): 60 % 💧 Luftbefeuchter aktiv Gießwasser pH: 6,2 pH Töpfe: 20L Stofftöpfe ? Frisch umgetopft 📏 Pflanzenhöhe Tracker Pflanze / Phäno Voodoo Phäno 1 32 cm Einmal getoppt ✂️ / Buschig & vital Voodoo Phäno 2 33 cm Einmal getoppt ✂️ / Buschig & vital Voodoo Phäno 3 38 cm Einmal getoppt ✂️ / Spitzenreiter 🚀 📝 Wochenbericht & Notizen  Topping: In dieser Woche wurde die letzte Dame getoppt. Damit sind jetzt alle 3 Voodoos von Wizard Trees einmal getoppt worden ✂️. Alle bilden fleißig neue Triebe aus und scheinen richtig Bock zu haben!  Umtopfen: Heute wurden die Voodoo-Damen umgetöppelt 🌱. Ab jetzt dürfen sie ihre neuen 20L Stofftöpfe komplett durchwurzeln 💪🏻.  Wurzelbild: Das Wurzelbild aller 3 Damen war absolut Top 👍🏻.  Bewässerung: Direkt mit auf 6,2 pH angepasstem Wasser angegossen 💦. Jetzt bekommen sie ein paar Tage Ruhe, um sich zu erholen und einzuleben 🏆. Mal schauen, wie es in den nächsten Tagen weitergeht! 💚 #WizardTrees #Voodoo #Growdiaries #VegPhase #Stofftöpfe
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📆 Semana 7: Los cogollos siguen ganando volumen a gran velocidad y entran en una de las fases de mayor engorde. A pesar de que todavía predominan los pistilos blancos, los cálices continúan hinchándose y apilándose, formando flores cada vez más compactas y pesadas. La producción de resina aumenta notablemente, intensificando el aroma y dejando ver todo el potencial de la genética. ⚡ EC: 1.8 💧 pH: 6.2 – 6.5 🌡️ Agua: 21°C 🌫️ Humedad: 50–55% 💡 Intensidad: 950–1050 PPFD 🔥 Nota de cultivo: Mantengo la nutrición estable y un ambiente bien controlado para favorecer el máximo engorde de los cogollos, conservando la producción de resina y la calidad de los terpenos durante esta etapa clave. ¡Seguimos creciendo fuerte! 💪
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16 down 15 up so 15 up out of 20 total seeds
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July 5: Lemon Cream Kush seems to be doing fine. The canopy is more or less even. There are four small growth tips that I'm trying to get exposed to sunlight but all the other ones are exposed and doing fine. July 8: added Power Bloom and barley as a top dressing. July 10: looking pretty good and fairly rebalanced and recovered after I damaged one of the main stems a couple weeks ago.
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Stretch 10 centimètres Jour52 légère defolliation et arrosage avec deux litres d'eau ph6.3 Petit rappel sur le meilleur cycle de lumière pour les autofloraisons QUEL EST LE PLANNING LUMINEUX OPTIMAL ? Le cannabis à autofloraison peut survivre avec à peine 5 heures de lumière du soleil par jour. Mais si vous voulez que vos plants s’épanouissent, atteignent le pic de leur puissance et produisent une lourde récolte, ils ont besoin d’au moins 18 heures de lumière par jour. Le planning optimal de lumière pour la culture en intérieur du cannabis à autofloraison est un 20-4 constant pendant tout le cycle de vie. Bien entendu, des plannings de 18-6, 20-2 et 24 heures non-stop ont tous leurs avantages, mais nous avons obtenu les meilleurs résultats avec le planning 20-4. Les cultivateurs en extérieur peuvent potentiellement lancer la culture dès le printemps. Cependant, nous recommandons toujours de faire germer les graines et de cultiver les jeunes pousses en intérieur sous des lampes artificielles pendant une semaine ou deux pour obtenir les meilleurs résultats. Nous parlerons des options en extérieur plus en détail un peu plus bas. LE CYCLE DE VIE DU CANNABIS À AUTOFLORAISON La plus grande différence entre le cannabis à photopériode et à autofloraison est que l’horloge tourne pour une auto dès le moment où la coque de la graine s’ouvre. Le cycle de vie post-germination de la grande majorité des variétés à autofloraison modernes est de 8-12 semaines au total. Au contraire des variétés à photopériode, les autos n’ont pas besoin du planning lumineux courant 12-12 pour faire la transition vers la floraison. Une variété à autofloraison progressera dans son cycle de vie indifféremment du cycle jour-nuit. CROISSANCE VÉGÉTATIVE ACCÉLÉRÉE Il est presque impossible de délimiter la phase de la jeune pousse de la croissance végétale avec les variétés à autofloraison de nos jours. De plus, en 30 jours, la plupart exploseront soudainement en phase de floraison. Donner aux autos un bon départ, solide et sain est un facteur critique pour une culture réussie. Beaucoup de choses peuvent se passer pendant une semaine avec un hybride à autofloraison vigoureux en culture. Il n’y a pas non plus beaucoup de temps pour la transplantation. Nous recommandons d’utiliser notre kit de germination ou de planter directement dans les premiers et derniers récipients dès le début. Des pots/récipients en plastique de 10-20 L avec de nombreux trous de drainage au fond sont parfaits. Les Air-Pots sont encore mieux. Beaucoup de cultivateur découvrent à leurs dépens que les petits pots ne sont pas durables pour les hybrides autos modernes plus grands. Préparez-vous à devoir ajuster quotidiennement votre lampe de culture pour éviter de brûler le feuillage. De plus, tout comme les variétés à photopériode, les conditions environnementales optimales pour les jeunes plants à autofloraison sont des températures entre 20 et 25 °C et une HR dans une fourchette de 50-70 %. En outre, les besoins en nutriments seront considérablement plus faibles que les variétés à photopériode. Il n’y a donc aucune bonne raison de ne pas cultiver bio. Généralement, les autos préfèrent avoir un milieu de culture légèrement fertilisé et bien aéré. Les terreaux légers et/ou le coco sont des substrats fortement recommandés. La plupart des cultivateurs préfèrent des lampes CFL blanc chaud, LED et MH pour la courte période végétative. Cependant, les lampes HPS à double spectre sont tout aussi efficaces et probablement plus pratiques à utiliser. FLORAISON RAPIDE ET FÉROCE Dès que vous pouvez voir les pistils pousser à partir des premières fleurs, vous pouvez vous dire qu’en 45-60 jours, les plants finiront le cycle de floraison et seront prêts à la récolte. Que vous soyez prêt ou non. Mais vous serez prêt, car vous aurez fait les ajustements nécessaires en temps et en heure. Les apports en engrais de croissance végétative à un dosage faible à moyen seront remplacés par des nutriments pour la floraison et des doses appropriés de compléments et boosters de floraison. Une fois de plus, un régime alimentaire spartiate est recommandé. Pas besoin de changer le planning des lampes, car vous allez suivre votre planning originel jusqu’à la récolte. Mais il faudra vous assurer que les températures ne dépassent pas les 28 °C et vous devez réduire votre HR vers une fourchette plus basse de 40-60 %. Les plants vont s’étirer à des degrés divers. Quoi qu’il en soit, vous devez faire attention et toujours maintenir une distance optimale entre la lampe et la canopée. Un ensemble de cordages ou de crochets réglables rendront la tâche bien plus aisée. Ne vous imaginez pas que toutes les autos développeront une structure courte de buisson, à moins que le sélectionneur ne donne des données qui le suggèrent. Naturellement, les deux dernières semaines de floraison devraient être réservées à un rinçage en profondeur du milieu. De l’eau pure, ou une solution de rinçage légère fonctionneront très bien. Quand la majorité des poils ou pistils sur les fleurs auront changé du blanc à l’orange/rouge, vous devriez passer au rinçage. Ne sautez pas cette étape finale critique. Vous méritez les fleurs les plus savoureuses, sans contamination. COMMENT LES AUTOS RÉPONDRONT AUX TECHNIQUES DE TAILLE ET DE PALISSAGE ? La réponse courte : très bien ! La plupart des variétés à autofloraison de nouvelle génération répondront très positivement au LST. Et tant que vous taillez tôt, l’étêtage et le fimming peuvent multiplier les tiges de têtes et en plus booster les rendements. De plus, la méthode ScrOG peut être combinée avec toutes ces techniques pour un rendement maximum. Cependant, la culture à grand volume utilisant la méthode SOG est probablement le style de culture le plus populaire à présent. Un nombre croissant de cultivateurs d’autos expérimentent avec les mêmes pratiques courantes de taille et de palissage à haut rendement que les cultivateurs de cannabis à photopériode utilisent. Les cultivateurs débutants ne devraient probablement pas se lancer dans une taille ou un palissage intensif ou excessif avant d’avoir de l’expérience. Cependant, plier un peu les pointes de croissance pour créer une canopée plus plate ne peut pas nuire aux rendements. De même, une défoliation minimale pour augmenter la pénétration lumineuse ne stressera probablement pas des plants en bonne santé, tant que vous vous limitez à l’élimination des grosses feuilles nourricières qui font de l’ombre aux sites de floraison. May the force be with you 💪
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Inicio de la cuarta semana. Estos días está haciendo mucho calor pero están aguantando muy bien y empieza el engorde. Eso si, tuve que tirar una Bay Burger porque le salió alguna banana y prevenir es curar! Deseando ver cómo engordan. Feliz semana!
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Info: Unfortunately, I had to find out that my account is used for fake pages in social media. I am only active here on growdiaries. I am not on facebook instagram twitter etc All accounts except this one are fake. Have fun with the update. Hey everyone :-). This week the baby saw the light :). She came out 2 days ago. It is sprayed into the main area every day so that the humidity stays at the upper level :-). Until the main comes down next week, it does not have to be poured but only sprayed :-). I am very curious how it will develop in the coming week and until then I wish you a lot of fun with the update 😊. Stay healthy 🙏🏻 and let it grow 🍀👍 You can buy this Strain at : https://originalsensible.com/original-sensible-seeds-zkittlez~20503 Type: Zkittlez ☝️🏼 Genetics: Afghan Kush Indica x Grandaddy Purple x Grapefruit hybrid 👍 Vega lamp: 2 x Todogrow Led Quantum Board 100 W 💡 Bloom Lamp : 2 x Todogrow Led Cxb 3590 COB 3500 K 205W 💡💡☝️🏼 Soil : Canna Coco Professional + ☝️🏼 Fertilizer: Green House Powder Feeding ☝️🏼🌱 Water: Osmosis water mixed with normal water (24 hours stale that the chlorine evaporates) to 0.2 EC. Add Cal / Mag to 0.4 Ec Ph with Organic Ph - to 5.5 - 5.8 .
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Harvested BB2 and GG2 on day 84 with mostly cloudy/milky trichomes and scattered amber because I prefer the Sativa daytime buzz. I think these two are further along because they showed the deficiencies. Both were flushed twice within a week and chopped with a dry pot. Last nutrients were day 73. Nothing but PH 6.4 water since day 76. I expect to harvest BB1 and GG1 at around day 92, checking trichomes everyday. I'm guessing the yield will be greater for the second two. Will post harvest pics and videos for each set of two plants after drying and getting dry weights for each plant.
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This lady got a good lust for life🌲, I've topped her earlier this week and she keeps shooting out new ones like it's nothing. I made a little peak to see how I handle this lady💚👨‍🌾. Still only water and sometimes adding some Aptus 🌊💦
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Hello Diary, Purple Lemonade has reached the end of the fourth week of flowering, 7 weeks since the beginning of the vegetation. I can already tell that we are slowly approaching the end, from next week I will be painting it on a black background. Purple Lemonade looks beautiful. It has large flowers that have covered the branches that are now slightly bent due to the weight of the flowers. The flowers are very hard and sticky to the touch. The main cola is completely covered in flowers and trichomes, it brings a smile to my face. The smell is now very intense, when I open the grow box, the smell takes over the whole room. The leaves are still a healthy green color, it is obvious that the new nutrients Bio Grow and Bio Bloom Fertilizer are doing their job. The conditions on the Farm are good, the temperature is around 28 degrees while the humidity is below 50%. Watering is still almost every other day, they still need a lot of water. I continued to add CalMg and Bio Bloom Fertilizer with each watering. I'm super happy to see how Purple lemonade looks, she really responded to my efforts to give her the best conditions I can. Here's a quick overview of the past week. 06/09/2024 - Day 44. Watering. I prepared 9 liters of water, added CalMg and Bio Bloom Fertilizer and lowered the p.H. to 6.0. With that amount of water I watered all three plants on the "Farm". 08/09/2024 - Day 46. Watering. I repeated the same procedure as two days earlier. 10/09/2024 - Day 48. Watering. Same procedure. 11/09/2024 - Day 49. End of the 7th week from the beginning of the vegetation, or the fourth week of flowering. Photographing and measuring the height of the plants. Purple Lemonade - Day 49. - 63 cm. That's all from me for this week, see you soon and thank you all for the comments and compliments.
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06.07.26 Das Hitzegewitter hat die kleineren Autos gar nicht groß geschüttelt, die Temperaturen haben etwas nachgelassen aber auch bei 25 Grad läuft das Wachstum gut weiter. Allerdings ist es zu 90% Blütenwachstum und kein Höhenwachstum mehr. Daher habe ich Mitte letzter Woche Topdressing für die Blütephase ausgebracht. Gemischt mit der doppelten Menge Erde hat jede Auto folgendes bekommen: 50g italpollina 4-4-4 30g Guano Kalong 7,5g Patent Kali Der Wasserbedarf ist etwas zurück gegangen und bis auf einen einzelnen ausgewachsenen Thrips habe ich keine Schädlinge entdeckt und vernichtet. Zur Sicherheit habe ich ein paar Tüten mit Raubmilben bestellt und werde sie wohl Ende der Woche erhalten und ausbringen. Die automatische Bewässerung habe ich am Wochenende mal aufgebaut, bin aber noch nicht ganz zufrieden und spiele an der Einstellung. Gute Woche und weiterhin Erfolg beim Abbau euch allen!
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Anche lei ha iniziato con la pre fioritura..brave.belle mie andate avanti così 🤣😂💪🙏
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Fue una exelente cosecha, esta planta en un principio se tuvo en imddor y posteriormente sacada al exterior. Es mi primera experiencia plantando en suelo. La planta llego a un gran tamaño de la cual se cosechó una gran cantidad superando la cantidad promedio.
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Today is Day 50 !! We have started flower an they are just looking amazing! We have switched up the nutrients for flower, instead of 1 tsp bloom and 3 tsp of veg , we just swap 3 tsp of bloom and 1 tsp of veg !! Can’t wait to see what these laddies do this week!!
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So that was fun, and trouble free! First round with RDWC was a success. Compared to previous grows I barely had to manage them. It probably reduced my time with the plants by 50%. I know I had spacing issues and a lack of light that led to reduced bud density. I’ll be fixing that next grow. I chopped them down last night and they’re drying. 21C and 51%RH. Look for the video at the end of this week for a surprise time lapse! I’ll keep doing them, and they’ll get better each time! Cheers, and see all you again for the final weigh in a week ✌️
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Last week! Today 06.11.2020 - i will cut them on saturday and will post the results as soon as possible. Look how hard i burned one plan :( BUT! the buds are not affected, leaves only. Next time i will take more time to look to get better results. I hope you enjoyed the diarie. Keep watching. I update weight etc before and after drying and curing. This is the most beatifull part :) because after this comes the smoke...
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9/13 Took the last special Kush today. I had too. Those fucking locusts were eating more and more. At least the trichs looked good. The second plant is straight fire! They're ALL good. I'll have to do the review. Tenth planet is swelling up and trichs are getting cloudier. They are starting to eat the chem dog too but it needs to bulk up and the trichs aren't there yet. Mk ultra natural may be some of the best quality this year. I'm losing SOME to the locusts but it seems they avoid the frostier stuff. At least I'm hoping. This is a great plantvand despite the nugs being so tight and stuff it just needs more time and im going to give it to her. Pink kush is actually look9ng like it might finish. But the locusts have STRIPPED a lot of that. I'll keep an eye on them and keep this uuodated. I got a notification saying congratulations on a harvester diary. I know these outdoor seasons are long but what difference does it make? Hopefully I can still add week later. 9/14 Weather is good bit it's so dry that the locusts are deafening. Thrips are still around and there's not much I can do about it. Looking at the tenth planet I isolated I can see that locusts stripped the middle some and it was stunted from the thrips. The pink kush looks good but I'm losing g some to locusts. The 10th planet, Chem Dog #4 and the MK Ultra I left natural are bulking up and trichs are exploding! Since I safely have some quality cannabis I'm go8mg to let these ride. Unless I continue to lose substantial amounts. Then my hand may be forced. The pink kush is nowhere near ready though. The others would still be good taken now. Smell is strong and I've looked them all. 9/15 Rained last night. Plants were wet. I probably should've watered. Had to remove two branches due to mold. I also removed a couple small buds that had molded. These 40 degree nights don't do well with rain. I'm losing more and more cannabis daily from those locusts and from some mold that comes with the damage. I've never had a year like this. The sounds the make are deafening. And it's not just at night, or a specific part of the day. It's ALL. THE. TIME. I'm not growing again without floating row covers. I'll loon for some today bur that's like closing the barn door after the horses got out. Oh well. That big 10th planet is ready. I was just waiting for more amber bur I'm not taking a chance losing more branches. I'll think about it and I'll update what I decide to do. I might take that today. Chem dog had thr most damage but last I looked it wasn't where I needed it to be. EDIT: DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING. IVE GOT MY HANDS FULL TRIMMING AND DRYING ANYWAY. SURPRISINGLY THE TRICHS WERE ALL MILKY! THEY EVEN HAD SOME AMBER! CHEM DOG WENT CLEAR TO MILKY REAL FAST AND THE NATURAL MK ULTRA HAS BUDS THAT THE STIGMAS HAVECTOTALLY RETRACTED AND THE LOOK COMPLETELY DONE. AGAIN. TRICHS ARE ALL MILKY. IT THE BUDS ARE EXTREMELY DENSE AND I WORRY ABOUT ROT. BOTH THESE PLANTS COULD COME DOWN ANYTIME AND IM SURE ID BE HAPPY. I JUST HAVE A LOT RO DO AND THE WEAYHER LOOKS GREAT SO AS LONG AS THE LOCUSTS STAY AWAY THINGS WILL BE FINE. I ALSO watered everything a gallon. I may have been underwatering for fear of overwatering. Tomorrow's a new day. We'll see what it holds. 11% chance of rain. But after that it looks like it will be good. 9/16 Guess I didn't do a video. Went over this morning and then again around one. I brought my loupe and checked everything. Suprisingly some of the pink kush are MILKY already and legit hard as a marble. I won't get much from them but I bet it will be good. The tenth planet I probably should've taken. I was tired though and another day or so isn't going to hurt it. I took off a few of the fan leaves that were left but most have dropped already. The strain SAYS it takes longer but the loupe doesn't lie and the buds arent increasing in size anymore. The chem dog has caught up to it by now and the 10th planet WAS much further ahead. They both have been through the same stressors. This cold weather has sped shit up. I've got all MILKY with amber on thatl tenth planet and I don't want to keep losing more shit. The chemdog has swelled to almost the size of the 10th planet and are all MILKY as hell!. The mk ultra's stigmas have retracted on half the buds and are very dense. It has a few ENORMOUS calyxes on it. The only reason its still standing is that ive noticed A FEW clear tricombs and the plant is healthy. It can survive a little longer but its a September strain and we've had some cold weather already. Some have some stigmas still reaching upward (mostly on the cola) but other flowers have no visible stigma on the top. Theyve reached what looks like perfection and are all milky. That plant it frosty. It might be my best quality. Only time will tell. That plant doesn't have as much damage but I'd like to see a little more amber and see if the buds decide to connect. This strain is on time according to the breeder and ive just decided to oush it. I hope I dont regret I have a bud that rotted off a tenth planet branch so at least i can try it before i take it. Same with the chem dog but it's not dry yet. I'd would be good to try a tester bud before I made my decision on pulling the plant.
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8th week! The plant has a slight guava scent, very interesting! Nice growth rate and no problems so far.
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1/23/25 this plant has a beautiful, perfect structure. handles training well and forms nicely with minimal help so