I use all 3 General hydroponic nutrients and they are two different pot sizes the Moby Dick is in 30 liter and the blue amnesia is in 18 liters has a very strong odor and blue amnesia is maturing at a faster rate then the Moby Dick. a scrog net is being used in order to give support to the upcoming buds. I am also actually on week 4 I just made a mistake calculating the week. this is my first grow ever. also I'm not sure if using the scroll net it's a good idea for support rather than tying those branches up . I am watering every two days feeding nutes every single time at 900 to 1000 PPM ph at 6.2 the plans have not show any signs of stress but I am worried if it is too much nutrients the plant seems to grow very fast after every watering and seems to be loving it. the blue Amnesia XXL Auto it's growing in soil with 30% Coco and the Moby Dick XXL auto it's growing in hydroponic soil. the seeds were germinated on jiffy's and 100% germination rate plus the genetics seems to me very resilient to heat and everything else including lots of nutrients. the moby Dick XXL auto are the two in the front closest to the camera the two farthest to the back of the tent are the two blue amnesiaXXL auto. today day 31 i did some pruning actually lots of pruning hopefully don't cause stress to the plants or even worse cause them not to bud that nicely regardless the scrog net seems to be working just fine helping them access more light and making it easy for cutting leaves that are no longer needed. 32 yesterday after watering and sleeping today they have show no signs of stress in fact they starting to stretch in the buds that we're not getting sufficient light have start to grow also yesterday from the 16 liters I prepare instead of 3 ml of grow formula I add 6 1/2 to compensate for stress and the need of healing and having new grow stretch. also temperature has dropped dramatically outside making my house cold down from 24 degrees C to 19° at night internal temperature is remaining the same from 30 to 26 C. Day 33 I have been raising the scrog net every day and the light everyday this plant is growing very fast I also notice that where the fan is hitting all the time that plant is bigger I have been moving the fan to other sections of the grow tent to see if any reaction happens and it looks like it makes the plant grow faster . I will not be moving the Scrog net any higher Rather I will introduce another one once they require more support . Day34 notice some of the top leaves are showing a curving down like over-watering without actually over water I think they're showing signs of too much nitrogen .for the next water session I will hold back on nitrogen until I see signs of a fully recovering meaning leafs pointing up. thank you for reading have a happy grow.

Hey growmies! ✌️ Time for another update on the Frosty Tooth growing in the Minigrow One. We’re currently at day 19 since switching to the bloom phase, and the first signs of bud development are starting to show. The buds are still small, but it’s a promising start! The plant is staying incredibly compact, but the leaves are growing in abundance. To give her some breathing space, I had to do two rounds of heavy defoliation. The difference is already noticeable—she looks much tidier and healthier now. 🌱 I’m really curious to see how much she’ll stretch as the buds continue to develop. I’ve heard that the buds can grow so tall they almost touch the protective glass below the grow light without getting burned. Let’s put that to the test and see how far she can go! 😅

My first grow....

Well we’re in Week 5 now and a huge update is needed. The lovely ones are good grown, transplanted and moved into the final setup to grow that big. - The first Week of flowering brings good results. - A little transplanting guide is attached. 1) The bottom of Teku is filled with hydroclays to guarantee a good air circulation. - 2) The 2nd Layer is filled with a organic fertilized soil for a good feeding in bigger growing stage. Also added: a 100% biologically powder with trace elements and natural additives. - 3) 3rd Layer : low nutrients lvl organic soil for prevegetative stages. - 4) hydroclays on the top, to hold a good humidity. - The kids are in 11 Liter Tekus now, under 400 W MHL, In a 120x120x185 Tent, Atami Wilma Watering System for automatically watering. 3 x 5 minutes per Day. - ■ Timeline ■ 28.04.2019 - Starting germination of 2. 30.04.2019 - Popped and planted. 03.05.2019 - 1st Sprouted. 04.05.2019 - 2nd Sprouted. - PreVegetative start [ 04.05.2019 ] Last day of first Week [ 05.05.2019 ] Moved into Tent [ 10.05.2019 ] Vegetative start [ 10.05.2019] PreFlowering start [ 22.05.2019 ] - Transplanted into 11 L TeKu [ 26.05.2019 ] Flowering start [ 29.05.2019 ] - Harvesting Part 1 [ xx.xx.xxxx ] Harvesting Part 2 [ xx.xx.xxxx ] - ■ Growroom ■ Size » 120x120x185 ~ 2.4 m² - PreVegetative Lightning » 24 Hrs ▪️ Fluorescent ~ 24 W - daylight - 3700lm - Vegetative Lightning » 20/4 ▪️ HID ~ 250W - 5600K - 18.000 lm » 20/4 ▪️ HID ~ 400W - 5600K - 32.000 lm - Flowering Lightning » 20/4 ▪️ HID ~ 400W - 2100K - 56.500 lm - Watering » Atami Wilma System 4 x 11 liter - Supply air ▪️ mesh window - negative pressure Exhaust air fan ~ max.420m³/h ] Circulating air fans ~ 3x16W max.2250 rpm - Pots ▪️ 0,5 L Airpots --> 11 L TeKu. - Medium ▪️ Organic Soils! Composition ▪️ bark humus,wood fibers,coconut fibers,coconut husks,compost,guano,hornmeal,clay minerals,trace elements,calcium carbonate,perlite. - ■ Supported by ■ » EXOTIC SEED, TASTE & EFFECT ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 👋 Greetings your organically » tried and true, since simple is the best! 👍

This week the girls have stretched for the last time then the fun will really begin with the buds blowing up. Alaskan purple has the frosty sugar leafs which tells me she will be more potent at this point of the grow cycle. Both of the girls are in good health but Alaskan purple has 2 leafs that look like nutes burn from the feeding last week of the ff nutes, so only distilled water this week to kinda flush her then back to nutes feeding, which will be perfect timing for buds to start coming in. Overall it's rained a lot where I live which has made humidity a problem so I got another dehumidifier for my room to help with that problem other than that this grow is on track for a nice harvest.

Now we're Back on Track. I've started to her to the Side, to form her. The Permanent Marker is a Hybrid which IS very clear Here. Long branches without enough flowerstems. I tie the main's for a good 90 degree to go in the Kind of sog direction. And, what i learned from Carl Kushman: Break the inside carefully of your stems. It will make the plant stronger. Believe me. Just feel small balls inside the stems and crush every other. With that technic you can Control the growing

Привет садоводы мой цветок доцветает , еще пару дней и финиш выглядит отлично

Day 78 flower 54 17.04. So Leute. Die erste Main Bud liegt zum trocknen. Die anderen Grape Ape F1 .. äh explodieren gerade. Kommt mir so vor. Sind so fluffig. Sieht gut aus. Und alles wächst. Alles? Nein, nur die Knospen. Ok , das sind ca 80 % der Pflanze. 💙👏 Genießt die Photos. Ich genieße ebenfalls+ Geruch. Übrigens, 50 cm hat keine erreicht. Later: Oh ein Geschmack, EIN GESCHMACK, wie Seide legt sich der Weintraubenartige Geschmack über deinen Gaumen. Mein Kopf summt. Müde und hungrig werde ich auch... Häh ? War doch nur ein Köpfchen.. 21% THC Punkt Indica Style. 18.04. Ich glaube der Server ist in Wartung. Keine Updates mehr. Aber ist egal, denn sie schmeckt vorzüglich. 😂😂

En general me encanto cultivar esta genética, siempre fue la primer genética que quise cultivar desde que empecé en esto y no me decepciono en lo absoluto, de una sola semilla obtuve 106 gramos de flores de gran calidad 😃 increíble para ser mi primer cosecha con semillas de bancos, ya quiero ver que resulta en la próxima cosecha ya con más experiencia y mejor equipo 🤩

8×8 Adventure – Week 11 Blueberry Muffin – Pheno B 💚 The Little One Keeps Shining Hello everyone, and welcome back to another chapter of the 8×8 Adventure! 🌱💚 And here she is again... Our little Blueberry Muffin Pheno B. If you've been following this diary from the beginning, you already know exactly what makes this girl special. She's small. She's slow. She's compact. She's beautifully green. And somehow... she keeps getting more beautiful every week. 😂💚 While some of the plants around her have been stretching, reaching and trying to occupy every possible centimetre of the room, Blueberry Muffin Pheno B has remained completely committed to her own philosophy. Stay small. Build flowers. Look beautiful. Take your time. And honestly? I respect it. This week isn't about dramatic intervention. It's about watching her continue to develop while we give her exactly what she needs. Because at this stage of flowering... sometimes the best thing a grower can do is simply let the plant finish her story. ──────────────────────── 🌸 Week 11 – The Quiet Stage Of Flowering We're now at that interesting point in the flowering cycle where the major structural work is already behind us. The plant has her architecture. The flowering sites are established. The roots are established. The irrigation system is running. The nutrition is established. The lighting is in place. And now... the flowers get to do the talking. That's exactly where Pheno B is right now. We're not constantly reaching into the canopy. We're not trying to reshape her. We're not trying to make her taller. We're not trying to make her behave like another phenotype. We're simply observing. Watering. Feeding. Monitoring the environment. Checking the flowers. And making adjustments only where the plants actually ask for them. Pheno B isn't asking for much. She's just quietly getting on with the job. ──────────────────────── 🌿 Small Doesn't Mean She's Not Working This little girl continues proving one of my favourite points from the entire 8×8 Adventure: Height isn't everything. At around 75 cm, Blueberry Muffin Pheno B is still one of the smallest plants in the room. But look at her. She's lush. She's green. She's full of flowering sites. She's compact. She's developing density. And she's filling her available space extremely well. She's not wasting energy trying to become a giant. She's simply using the architecture she has. And that's what I love about phenotype hunting. You don't always get what you expect. Sometimes the plant gives you something completely different from the picture you had in your head. And instead of fighting it... you learn to appreciate it. Pheno B has made her position very clear. She's the little one. And she's perfectly happy with that. 😂💚 ──────────────────────── 🌸 The Flowers Are Becoming The Story At this stage, her height isn't really what I'm watching anymore. I'm watching the flowers. And they're looking beautiful. The developing buds continue gaining structure and volume. The plant is gradually becoming more dominated by flowering growth, and those compact branches are carrying increasingly substantial floral sites. This is where the patience starts becoming rewarding. Week after week, the difference may seem small when you're standing in front of the plant every day. But compare photographs. Suddenly... you see it. More flower. More structure. More density. More maturity. And that's what we're looking for now. Not another giant burst of vegetative growth. Not another training session. Just development. ──────────────────────── 💡 Two More Future Of Grow Black Series 600W Fixtures Now, although we're doing very little to the plant physically this week, there has been an important development above her. Future of Grow provided us with two additional Black Series 600W fixtures for us to test as part of the 8×8 Adventure. And that gave us a completely different lighting capability. Once the additional fixtures were added, the available PPFD increased considerably. Actually... a little more than I wanted. 😂 So instead of simply running the fixtures at maximum power, we turned them down. We're currently running at approximately 59% power from the plug. At that setting, we're seeing approximately 1,500 PPFD across the upper canopy, with the intensity naturally decreasing lower down depending on plant height and canopy position. And I'm very happy with that. The important part isn't simply having 600W fixtures. It's having control over them. ──────────────────────── 🔌 More Light Doesn't Mean We Need More Power This is something I really enjoy demonstrating in a real grow. When you have powerful equipment, you don't necessarily need to run it flat out. We increased the available lighting. The PPFD went higher than I wanted. So we reduced the power. Simple. 😂 Now we're still providing an extremely strong light environment while using less electricity. We're also avoiding unnecessary stress on the fixtures and the associated equipment. And we're giving ourselves room to adjust later if the plants tell us they want something different. That's one of the reasons I'm so happy with the additional Future of Grow fixtures. They give us more capability. More control. And more room to experiment. ──────────────────────── ☀️ Around 1,500 PPFD At The Top The approximately 1,500 PPFD we're seeing is measured across the upper canopy. Obviously, Blueberry Muffin Pheno B is not a perfectly flat surface. She's a living plant. Some flowers are higher. Some are lower. Some leaves face the fixtures directly. Others sit at different angles. So the light naturally changes throughout the structure. And that's exactly what we expect. The goal isn't to make every single square centimetre of the plant receive identical light. The goal is to create a strong overall light environment and allow the plant to use those photons as efficiently as possible. And with Pheno B's compact architecture, this is particularly interesting. She has a relatively small vertical footprint, so we're able to provide a very strong upper-canopy environment without needing to chase a huge plant through the tent. She's compact. The light is strong. And now... we watch what she does with it. ──────────────────────── 💚 Future Of Grow – A Big Thank You I want to give Future of Grow a special shout-out this week. Providing two additional Black Series 600W fixtures gives us the opportunity to explore how these plants respond when we substantially increase the available lighting capability. And we're not just turning everything on and walking away. We're testing. We're adjusting. We're measuring. We're finding the level that makes sense. That's exactly the kind of real-world testing I enjoy doing. We increased the lighting. We saw where the PPFD went. We decided it was more than necessary. We reduced the output. And now we're sitting at a level I'm very comfortable with. More capability. Less unnecessary power consumption. And plenty of light. That's a pretty good combination. ──────────────────────── 🌿 Pheno B Under The New Lighting And what about our little Blueberry Muffin? She's happy. That's really the simplest way to describe it. Her foliage remains lush. Her colour remains beautiful. Her flowering development continues. And she isn't giving us any reason to suddenly start changing everything. So we're not. She's doing her thing. We're doing ours. The lights provide the photons. The roots provide the foundation. The irrigation provides the water and nutrients. The environment provides the conditions. And the plant decides how to put everything together. That's the fun part. ──────────────────────── 🥥 Nutrition – Another Small Step There was also a small nutritional adjustment this week. Nothing dramatic. We're simply increasing Terra Bloom slightly from 2.2 ml/L to 2.3 ml/L. The current recipe is: • Terra Bloom — 2.3 ml/L • Pure Zym — 1 ml/L • Power Buds — 1 ml/L • Sugar Royal — 1 ml/L • pH Plus — 0.03 ml/L • Lemon Kick — 0.03 ml/L That small increase in Terra Bloom brought the EC up slightly. We're now sitting around: ⚡ EC — 2.14 mS/cm Again... Nothing dramatic. Just a small measured progression as flowering continues. I don't believe in changing things simply because the calendar says another week has passed. The plant tells us what she needs. And Pheno B is telling us: "I'm happy." So we're making small adjustments rather than dramatic ones. ──────────────────────── 💧 Irrigation – Keep The Roots Happy The irrigation remains consistent as well. We're currently around: 💧 1.45 L per plant / 24 hours The current root-zone conditions remain stable, with the solution and substrate both around 25°C. That's important. Because while we can change the lighting strategy, adjust nutrition and make other decisions above the canopy... The roots still need consistency. Water. Nutrition. Oxygen. A stable root environment. And Pheno B is receiving exactly that. Her slow growth isn't something we're trying to correct through excessive inputs. That's simply her phenotype. We're supporting her rather than trying to force her to become somebody else. ──────────────────────── 🌡️ Week 11 – Current Conditions This week's recorded conditions are: • 🌡️ Day Temperature: 26.5°C • 🌙 Night Temperature: 26°C • 💧 Relative Humidity: 61% • 🥥 Substrate Temperature: 25°C • 💦 Nutrient Solution Temperature: 25°C • ⚗️ pH: 6.02 • ⚡ EC: 2.14 mS/cm • 💨 CO₂: approximately 693 ppm • 💡 Light Schedule: 12/12 • 💧 Irrigation: approximately 1.45 L/plant/24h • ? Pot Size: 15 L • 📏 Plant Height: approximately 75 cm The room continues to remain stable overall. Summer can still create small fluctuations, of course, but we're keeping the variables we can control as consistent as possible. And that's particularly important at this stage. We're not looking for perfection every minute of every day. We're looking for stability. ──────────────────────── 🧠 Why We're Not Touching Her I think this deserves its own section because it's an important part of the grow. There is always a temptation to do something. Remove a leaf. Move a branch. Change the feeding. Change the light. Adjust something. But sometimes... there is nothing that needs fixing. Pheno B has a good structure. Her flowers are developing. Her foliage is healthy. Her environment is stable. Her irrigation is consistent. Her nutrition is working. So why would I disturb her? We're watching her closely. We're checking for problems. We're monitoring development. But we're not manufacturing problems just because we feel like we should be doing something. This is the stage where patience becomes cultivation too. ──────────────────────── 🌿 Compact Architecture – A Little Advantage Her compact size is actually becoming quite enjoyable at this stage. There isn't a huge vertical structure to manage. There isn't an enormous stretch creating constant challenges. She's simply sitting there... building. Her flowers are concentrated through a compact architecture, and that makes her a fascinating contrast to some of the taller plants in the 8×8. Same room. Same general philosophy. Same lighting. Same nutrition. Same irrigation. Different genetic expression. That's the experiment. And Pheno B continues giving us a very clear answer. Small. Compact. Slow. But beautiful. ──────────────────────── 📸 The Photographs Tell The Truth This is another reason I love keeping individual diaries. If we only photographed the whole room, Pheno B could easily disappear into the bigger picture. But when you isolate her... You can appreciate her. The lush foliage. The compact structure. The developing flowers. The density. The colour. The progression. She's not competing with anyone anymore. She doesn't need to. She's simply showing us what she can do. And honestly... I think she's doing a beautiful job. ──────────────────────── ☀️ Photons, Plants & Patience One of the things this stage reminds me of is that lighting is only one piece of the equation. We're now giving these girls a very strong lighting environment. Approximately 1,500 PPFD at the upper canopy. That's a lot of photons. But photons alone don't grow flowers. The plant still needs: Water. Nutrition. Healthy roots. CO₂. Temperature control. Humidity control. Healthy foliage. And time. Everything has to work together. That's why we're not simply adding light and then expecting miracles. We're giving the plants a complete environment and watching how they respond. Pheno B is responding in her own way. Slowly. Quietly. Beautifully. ──────────────────────── 🔬 Same Genetics, Different Personality This is probably one of the biggest reasons I enjoy having both Blueberry Muffin phenotypes documented separately. They're related. They're growing under the same general conditions. But they don't express themselves exactly the same way. Pheno B has consistently shown us that she's the smaller, slower phenotype. And instead of treating that as something that needs correction... I'm treating it as information. This is what her genetics are expressing. And that's valuable. Because the purpose of a phenotype diary isn't to make every plant behave the same. It's to discover how they behave. And this little girl has been very clear. 😂💚 ──────────────────────── 🔮 Looking Ahead From here... We're keeping things simple. We're going to continue monitoring the flowers. Continue checking the foliage. Continue watching the environmental conditions. Continue providing consistent irrigation. Continue with the flowering nutrition. And continue testing the new lighting setup. The two additional Future of Grow fixtures give us another exciting variable to observe. We've already found a power level we're comfortable with. Now we'll watch how the plants respond over the coming weeks. And as for Pheno B? She's going to keep doing what she does best. Take her time. Build quietly. And look beautiful while doing it. ──────────────────────── 💚 Final Thoughts – Let The Little One Finish I think that's probably the biggest lesson this girl continues teaching me. Not every plant needs to be big. Not every plant needs to be fast. Not every plant needs constant intervention. And not every phenotype needs to be pushed toward the same result. Sometimes... the little one is exactly the one you want to watch. Blueberry Muffin Pheno B is compact. She's slow. She's lush. She's green. She's flowering beautifully. And she's becoming increasingly dense. This week we haven't needed to do much physically to her. And that's okay. We've provided the light. We've provided the nutrition. We've provided the irrigation. We've provided the environment. And now... we give her time. That's the stage we're in. The plant has done her part. Now we watch the flowers finish the story. And with the new Future of Grow lighting above her, a small increase in nutrition, a stable environment and a very happy-looking plant... I'm really curious to see what this little Blueberry Muffin becomes by the end. For now? She's shining. And that's enough. 💚🌸 ──────────────────────── 🙏 Thank You A huge thank you to Zamnesia for giving us the opportunity to explore these Blueberry Muffin genetics and to follow this beautiful phenotype individually throughout the entire journey. A heartfelt thank you to Plagron for the nutrition supporting these girls through flowering and helping us maintain such healthy, lush plants. A massive thank you to Future of Grow for providing the Black Series lighting that has been powering this room and, especially this week, for providing two additional Black Series 600W fixtures for us to test. Having more lighting capability and then being able to control the output to find the level that makes sense for the plants is exactly the kind of experiment I love documenting. And thank you to Lumiflora for continuing to contribute additional light deeper into the canopy and helping us think about the plants as three-dimensional structures rather than simply flat canopies. Thank you as well to everyone following the 8×8 Adventure here on GrowDiaries. This project continues showing us something I never get tired of seeing: Same room. Same environment. Same general cultivation philosophy. Different genetics. Different personalities. Different stories. Blueberry Muffin Pheno B may still be the little one. She may still be the slow one. But she's also one of the most charming plants in this room. She's compact. She's lush. She's beautiful. And she's quietly building something very interesting. So this week, there isn't a dramatic intervention. There doesn't need to be. We're simply giving her what she needs... and letting her finish. Keep shining, little girl. 💚🌸 Until next week... Growers Love, happy growing, and take care everyone! 🌱💚

Solangsam färben sich die Stempel braun und das erste untere Laub wird gelb und abgeworfen. Nur noch wenige Tage, dann lohnt sich schon der erste Blick auf die Trichome. 1 ½ bis 2 Wochen werden es aber bestimmt noch werden. Tag 93 Und sie werden dicker und dicker und ... Tag 97 Hongkong Wetter 😭 29° und 78% es bleibt nur beten. 🙏

Cookies and Cream auto is looking good. She had a slight leaf deformity when she got solution on her roots too soon. It was a pinch strong for her. She has already grown into it, and roots are looking good. I was experimenting with putting the rock wool on one side to get the roots to the solution sooner. Everything is looking good at the moment under the medic Grow Mini Sun-2. Thank you Medic Grow, and MSNL seeds. Thank you grow diaries community for the 👇likes👇, follows, comments, and subscriptions on my YouTube channel👇. ❄️🌱🍻 Happy Growing 🌱🌱🌱 https://youtube.com/channel/UCAhN7yRzWLpcaRHhMIQ7X4g

This is the full detailed pictures of my first grow.

A big shoutout to all the visitors and growmies reading this 👋👋👋 Blue Cheese grows nicely the biggest problem i got right now is space in the 60x60 (2'x2') it's very probably i will transplant one or both of the plants to a bigger grow room around next week. I did swap the nutrients for bloom this week that's why there's a little foxtailing on the Blue Cheese, it's the first time i'm using the Jungle Indabox nutrients on a plant that has roots in soil, so the concentration is a bit different, otherwise the plant looks healthy, preformed some defoliation too. Still I didn't notice any flowers but for sure next week will be a flowering week ;) The irreplaceable TS 1000 lamp from Mars Hydro runs now on 100% (all hand on deck ;) at a distance of 30cm. from the plants. Thanks to Mars Hydro for supplying the necessary equipment for this grow 😇😇😇 That's it for this week folks, i'm so happy to see your likes and comments on my diaries 💪👊😇 I truly appreciate it. Have a wonderful week and please come beck visit next week.

These buds are absolutely awesome, very frosty solid dense nugs👍 have been flushing this week as there ready to harvest . Orange pistills cloudy trichomes with some amber's & the clusters have closed up . Will give them 48 hours of darkness before harvest.

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really easy to grow mines came out smelling like pine Barrens mixed with lemon balm , while my wives smelled like complete skittles chem gas like. Similar to mephisto white chem tbh. Yeild awesome some nice beautiful nuggets. If you notice on mines was super leafy so I ended up using the trimbag. I used it for not even 15 seconds and results show. Stuff like this investing into products like the trimbag and my herbsnow dryer has been saving my ass and time for many grows now. End product shows everytime. Will have and updated smoke report in matter of weeks. Can easily see me growing this one again but in a bigger pot ^_^. But for 1.5s gals ill take it really happy.

I've stopped giving them fertiliser and did a root flushing 4 days ago. They are looking good, smaller buds of what could have been with the correct equipment and dedication but I can't complain. I don't have a magnifying glass so I'm basing myself on the pistils to know when to harvest. I think I'll give them one more week but everyone is welcome to give me advice, would love to receive feedback from more experienced people.