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Mango, i smell mango 😍 Sticky? It is. Hard buds? Not yet. Not bad for a little bit forgotten Orphan. But Bad news... The strain is sold out for the moment. 21.10. Four days and even nights :) has passed. Lets see how the flower progresses... Have a nice week.
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Las plantas están en plena floración , con un leve amarillamiento en la mayoría de las hojas , creo que es exeso de intensidad lumínica o el ultravioleta debe estar afectando , en fin , el crecimiento no se ha visto comprometido y las plantas están comenzando a emanar un olor fuerte dulce , muy dulce con toques de golosina de manzana a mi parecer, vigor increíble de la cepa desde la germinación hasta ahora.
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Ernte nach 64Tagen. Für den falschen ph wert ganz akzeptabel. Auch erst mein 1ter richtiger grow. Hat spaß gemacht. Nächstes mal wird einiges besser. Wenn die blpten fertig sind gibts noch mehr bilder.
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Week 2 Think there's still signs of overwatering from solo cups being dodgy, the leaves were turning abit yellow I have transplanted into 5 gallon now and they should be getting air, will let it dry out for a few days before watering again. Should see leaf colour healing now
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Sweet Seeds Cream 47 grow 2020. Sweet Seeds Cream 47 was finally run and she was a great experience…….as always there was something to be learnt here but in the end these girls were super frosty and finished super fast! Done in 8 weeks Veg and you keep ALL the trim for further processing😊 Stayed under 30” for height and can fight off many issues including pests and temps……as well as cracked stems and broken branches😊 I believe I ordered these in 2018 after my first experience with Sweet Seeds and Gorilla Girl photo. I was so impressed I had wanted to try something else from them. Then I don’t know what happens…..something else newer or possibly more interesting at the time comes along and you push this seed pack to the back. For some reason AK47 has been the strain I have played with a couple variants of and these girls finally had their chance. The seed pack I have has a date stamp of 2016…….not a worry Growmies, seen lots of other growers popping 10 year old genetics from seed and thy will still work out fine. Just sharing a little reminder that its about storage…….I keep mine in a sealed container in a different fridge in a dark spot😊 As an example, these were 4 years old and I got two girls from my three seeds…..works for me😊 Beginning the diary……during germination everything is rosy and you are going to set things on fire!!!!!! Germination started on July 11/20 with two seeds. First one came up from coco 7 days later on July 18 and C472 was actually the third seed and was put into a rapid rooter on July 19 and came up from coco on July 23…….that left us with C472 actually being 5 days behind C471. Quick note….C472 was a bigger girl at the finish line even though she was 5 days younger and being grown in the 3 gal pot vs the 5 gal pot. Typical photoperiod process and went to solo cups and then to 1 gal and then a final upsize to either a 3gal or 5gal. I put one in each. At the start of this diary I wanted to focus on seeing the difference in yield between a 12L and 20L pot and is it worth the extra media and nutes? Well things change and you have to go with the punches😊 Early veg and building root mass……..come one girls, lets see some snow white roots!!!! The girls were grown in 90 – 80% coco and 10 - 20% Perlite……..COVID made many things hard to get here and there this past year and I believe and I even had to use some Vermiculite as I couldn’t get perlite. As in the previous couple of grows I battled pH drift in this run as well. Quick note…….I am now mixing my media with 65% coco, 25% peat, 10% perlite and the current run is doing very well for both autos and photos……pH is holding at 6.1 in media rather than damn 7.2 a couple of weeks later, may consider dropping peat a little next run to 20% or 15% and increase the coco by the same percentage to see the impact😊😊😊 By the end of 7 days they had a whopping 1 set of single blade fan leaves out and the thought of a second set of leaves. Then by the end of 14 days they really rocked and we had a set of 3 blade leaves out and a sliver of green forming the first set of 5 blade fan leaves……..on fire they were😊😊😊😊 With the girls facing an 8 week veg, I was in no rush. At the end 21 days they were roughly 7” tall and it was time for their first upsize to a 1gal pot. They were finally transplanted on day 23. C471 had a better root development that C472 and she was slightly bigger so was eyed as the pheno to get the 5 gal pot in the future. Usual Mycorrhizae added to the holes and in the pots and further microbes to supplement the girls. Need the roots to more plentiful than what they currently are. The girls loved the extra room and week 5 saw good growth as side branching developed and the leaves became bigger……on course! Late veg and forming a canopy for flower……SCROG or not?????: Weeks 4 and 5, plus the start of 6, the girls continued to flourish and grow in 1 gal pots. Being feed a couple of times a week they continued to progress. The girls had reached a little of 10” tall and it was time to top them. Not sure about LST or SCROG at this point, I knew they had to fill half the tent, so I went a head and topped the girls on day 37 between the fourth and fifth nodes. The girls grew a little different shaped fan leaves and they were more “pointy” and long in growth……and long lateral growth fan leaves. She wanted to grow laterally on her own…..bonus! The girls reacted will to the toping over the next days and kept a solid growth. This strain has tight node spacing and will not grow into 5’ monsters like the Gorilla Girl strain they were grown beside. Finally at day 50, Sept 6/20, the girls were given their final home and transplanted a last time. C471 with more vigorous growth was given the 5 gal pot to fill with roots while C472 was designated the 3 gal pot. I finally decided that a SCROG was going to be the answer because the other girls in the tent will need to be kept tied down. Problem was that these girls won’t stretch much but the other girls will……how the hell to SCROG that situation otherwise you have nodes 12” taller than others and creates a tough canopy to give the correct amount of light??? Solution was to put C47 girls on boxes and rise them up. Took a guess at the potential height difference in the strains and figured I should plant at least a 12” riser of some type. It actually worked out not to bad……they were coming through the top of the SCROG first but as they grew things balanced out between the strains😊 In week 9 the girls took off and we finally had a good canopy to start flower with……all the girls were down low and touching all sides of the tent and each other. Getting them ready to SCROG I decided to perform LST for a couple of weeks and ensure the branching grows to the side and not straight up. They formed 4 main tops on each girl and the side branches were thick. Bud Ignitor added to the feed in week 9 and we are ready…….lets change the light and watch the explosion Baby 😊😊😊 Still only positive thing happening in the grow to this point!! Flower time and filling up the tent with sticky buds………my F@#%ing tent is too small for the girls: Okay Growmies……we are on fire, all 4 girls are growing with pistols popping, branches bent everywhere and put in the first layer of the SCROG……..right on!! Soon reality sets in and the fictitious Gremlins arrive to F my grow and actions☹️ Getting ready for putting the net and decided to cut to low branches from C471 as they just don’t have any thickness to them. Concern was that she was now down to 6 main branches on her…..don’t break any!! Mid week I check the tent in the morning and there is a damn fan laying on top of C471!!! That’s no good but shit happens, no visible damage to the plant…..or the fan😊 So we get through week 1, IPM spray done and net is in, and moving into week 2 of flower my heart stopped when I noticed a huge crack in the main stem of C471……WTF??????? So on day 12 of flower I am looking at two girls with cracked main stems…..one C47 and one Gorilla Girl……WTF everything is the same, why did this happen for no apparent reason? Answer - - - - usual “grower F-up”…….I topped the girls to close to the lower node when done and I should have the scissors up against the node above and left a larger “nub” on top……I had them against the node below when I cut and little to no nub left on top!!!! Once they were trained a bit and started growing harder, the stem didn’t have any more strength and cracked right in the middle of the main stem! Learning point……remember to always leave a good piece of stem at the top when using scissors……hasn’t been an issue for me in the past when “pinching” tops as they develop, this was though☹️ So what to do now they are doing awesome????? Well, that is why I support Grow Diairies and continue to use the site outlining my grows……I asked for help and other opinions about what happened😊 Sure enough within hours, I had some input from fellow growers, thanks again @Mr_Motalovah who pointed out quickly what I had done because they had shared about what has happened to them in the past……thanks a bunch for the input Growmie….you rock!! Now that I know what I screwed up, we vaped a bunch of bud and put on the MacGyver Hat and fashioned some supports and ties out of a pool noodle, zip ties, tape, and more weed😊 Tied the girls up and kept the area moist for a week! She never did weld right back together at the crack because it was too major and at a high stress point for the branches. I feel this certainly contributed to C471 not being as big a yielder as I am sure she should have been. So now we are getting back on track, forget all the other shit of the last two weeks, stay positive and lets rock this grow😊 There was lots to be positive about as the second lay of SCROG is in, the girls are 20” tall and looking happy with leaves up. She has some huge fan leaves and starting to really show some trichomes already! Right on Sweet Seeds……they are pulling through and doing awesome now! Problem I am now having is keeping the air movement in the tent as these four girls are killing it and I am out of room. If I don’t help with more room or air movement, the yield and quality of the bud will suffer……they will finish and all is good but there will be lost opportunity. I really struggle to grow 4 plants in a 3’ x 3’ tent. I am always out of room and can’t get the light down as low as I want. This grow is a perfect example of that. Not to mention how to cool them off and reduce light intensity when ripening in the last two to three weeks?? I need a bigger freaking tent….finally bit the bullet and ordered a 4’ x 4’ tent for flower. Will then have a 4’ x 4’ for photos and keep one of the 3’ x 3’ for autos. Through week 3 of flower and going now Baby, just waiting on a new tent😊 Late flower and watching them buds swell……no worries now, let the deficiencies fly!!!: Now in week 4 of flower and the girls are getting very big. The trichome production has kicked in and they are looking happy everyday at this point. Tips up everyday and they are loving the light and feed at this point. Chugging along and feeling like we will feed them though week 6 and flush for weeks 7, 8, and 9 and take down about day 62 or so. Feed moved into Big Bud and silica going to keep the stems strong so they support the bud weight. Her nodes have stacked very well and for week 4 she is chunking out nicely! The girls are pretty dark green now at this point and looking healthy. Again, buds are big and they are frosty…..the grow is going very well. New tent finally arrives in week 5 and we move the girls to a new home with more room for air and light penetration lower on the branches. Had to cut the girls out of the SCROG and added bamboo to the other strain being run with these girls. Since C47 was not very tall, they were not supported. So feeling that everything is good and we are moving forward. Like I say, feeling good, but I think the girls had their issues in weeks 5 and 6 and I didn’t really pick up on it. They had battled high pH through the grow, again why the media change this run, and it seemed to stall the girls. I think I was so focussed on the success of the Gorilla Girls that I didn’t really pick on the fact these girls were slowing down. At any rate, they looked very good and frosty and still eating so we kept going, there were even resin rails beginning to form on fan leaves and they are 24” tall😊 LST helped to keep them short, along with topping. She is showing that she will make hash people happy!!! Awesome trichomes for this stage of growth…..excited as hell! We move into week 6 and start working on some flushing. She is dark now and concerning. Her hairs are starting to red here and there and I am seeing some colour in the buds. She smells of a strong floral or something that almost “stings” your sinuses…..sorry for description but it was good strong smell. Flush should have begun at the start of this week, six. Instead, it was not given until week 7, almost too late at this point. She had slowed down her drinking and was not uptalking much anymore. Her buds looked beautiful but her leaves were dark. Yup…..F#$% I missed her and she will not finish with the colours that she should. Not much you can do at this point. She was given Flawless Finish twice and roughly 7 days of plain watering before darkness. Then on November 8, Day 51 the girls went into darkness……..the trichomes had matured and it was time. This strain should have stopped her feeding at the end of week 5 and keep the water only for up for 2.5 weeks idea and colours should pop on her…….not one week like I did☹️ After two days of darkness the girls looked gorgeous and faded a little more than when they went in……right on. The buds are beautiful with the light colour of purple on some calyxes and red hairs in there. Frosty as all heck and sticky like crazy😊😊😊 Harvest, dry, cure and smoking Cream 47 from Sweet Seeds……..is she Sweet Smoke?? Remembrance Day was harvest for the girls. They ran their 53 days and its time to cut them down. It was a little surprising to see that C472 had better bud production that C471 since she was the slower grower. At the same time, it was not surprising as C471 had her stem split and this impacted her yield because of a challenge getting the amount of nutrients she wanted up the stem. She made it to the finish line though and was still making me smile at the end😊 can’t ask for much more than that really! Again, I wanted to compare 3 gal vs 5 gal but this diary simply didn’t work out that way. (one should also use clones for a better test of this and not seeds but its all good because I was just having fun😊) I hope that my pictures show her level of trichome production as very good to excellent. She has a lot of crystal in her buds and they are sticky. They hung for 10 to 12 days, took a couple of days to finish his time, and went it jars. I kept ALL fan leaves and of course sugar leaves…….in the freezer right now waiting for the next edible or hash run……grower bonus😊 not to mention the crazy good kief in the tray from trimmings you can enjoy as the grower😊 Full Melt Hash!!! The yield was not the largest for this girl and you can see that in the pictures by the amount of leaf in the buds. They didn’t swell right up……again going back to weeks 5 and 6 in flower I suspect☹️ This is my smoke and I am not worried about yield to be honest. Therefore, even though I only pulled a couple of ounces from each girl…….its primo smoke! The lung expansion is huge and takes my breath away for a couple of seconds as well😊 One dab the size of a rice grain for light weight friend and he was sleeping on the couch 15 minutes later😊 Anyone have insomnia issues?? She is a strong one but with my crazy tolerance she is a nice day to evening smoke for me. That will wrap it up for this grow and Cream 47 for 2020. Have a few ounces to enjoy plus still have another seed to keep the dream alive😀👍 Should have cloned her........there are so many options though👊 Still, would love to have ran her again knowing that she is done at the start of week 8 and hit the flush properly. On to the next one though. She was indeed Sweet Smoke!!! Cheers @Sweet_Seeds another one you should be proud of😍😎👊
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4-14 Ppm 406 Coco plants. 1 mL Silica 2.5 mL Cal/Mag 2.5 mL Micro 2.5 mL Flowers 2.5 mL Blast Off 1 mL Drops of Balance Slf-100 1ml 100ml 4-18 Watered coco 200ml each ppm 417. Ph 5.9 Made 2 liters water. Silica .5ml Cal/mag 2ml Micro .75ml Flowers 1ml Blast off 1.25ml Slf-100 .5ml Ppm was 575, diluted with 666ml ro. Ppm 417 4-20
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Last week! Next one It will be dried.
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START OF WEEK 4 FLOWERING. NUTRIENTS SAME 4 ML PER LITER RO WATER OF BOTH A & B. 2 ML PER LITER BIG BUD. MIXED UP 8 LITERS OF NUTRIENT SOLUTION --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Both ladies had a little trim to get rid of thick interior. Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Both Jessica Rabbit & Elly May were fed 1.5 liters of nutrient mix. Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 78.4° F. Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 51%. Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 70.2° F. Day 64 April 18th - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 70° F. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE - Day 65 April 19th - 2019 The Lady in the coffee can is a clone from the Blue Cookies. The clone was 2 weeks old put in soil in the coffee can It was put in the tent straight to flower No Veg time at all the clump of leaves at the bottom was how tall it was. I have been feeding Her the same Nutrients I am using for Coco flowering with the Big Bud for Coco. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 65 April 19th - 2019 Both Ladies are looking good after their little trim. Day 65 April 19th - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 81.1° F. Day 65 April 19th - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 55 %. Day 65 April 19th - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 71.8° F. Day 65 April 19th - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 71.6° F. Day 66 April 20th - 2019 Ladies are looking good coming alone. Day 66 April 20th - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 79° F. Day 66 April 20th - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 40 %. Day 66 April 20th - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 69.3° F. Day 66 April 20th - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 69.4° F. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 67 April 21st - 2019 Both Ladies received 1 liter pre-mixed solution --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day 67 April 21st - 2019 The girls are looking fine. Day 67 April 21st - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 79° F. Day 67 April 21st - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 47 %. Day 67 April 21st - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 70° F. Day 67 April 21st - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 70° F. Day 68 April 22nd - 2019 Ladies are looking good no issues. Day 68 April 22nd - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 71.2° F. Day 68 April 22nd - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 57 %. Day 68 April 22nd - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 67.6° F. Day 68 April 22nd - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 66.6° F. Day 69 April 23rd - 2019 Both Ladies looking good. Day 69 April 23rd - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 69.4° F. Day 69 April 23rd - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 61 %. Day 69 April 23rd - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 65.7° F. Day 69 April 23rd - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 64.8° F. Day 70 April 24th - 2019 Both ladies are coming alone. Day 70 April 24th - 2019 Temp in tent is @ 67.1° F. Day 70 April 24th - 2019 Humidity in tent is @ 61 %. Day 70 April 24th - 2019 Jessica Rabbits Coco temp is @ 65.2° F Day 70 April 24th - 2019 Elly Mays Coco temp is @ 64.0° F.
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Hey y'all week 8 in 3 days and things seems to be going not half bad. There's yellowing going on and I think that's due to me not checking my runoff and not correcting but they are in ranges of 6.4 to 6.8 ehhhh I know. But won't let that happen again. Besides that have you seen the frost on these lady's so far, especially for Pheno 1 she is super frosty and has a nice 🍇 🍋 smell that keeps getting better by the week. Pheno 2 smells like lemon citrus and Pheno 3 has a nice 🧀 🍇 smell going for her. Pheno 4 on the other hand is very subtle at the moment but I'll keep my fingers crossed. Till next week growmies Happpy growing y'all 🤙✌️
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Diese Woche ist nicht viel passiert 😇 Bisschen weiter rum geschnibbelt (Toppen) und ordentlich Blätter abgeschnitten... Wir werden sehen wie gut die Ladys es vertragen 💥
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Did some defoilation today just trying to make sure not to remove much. I discontinued using the Amino acids now since it's the last few weeks before harvest. This was my last 2 waterings/feedings. 8/19/22 Bruce Banner watered with 1 gallon ph'ed water to 5.2. Runoff was 6.1ph, 345ppm, .7ec Mixed 5ml cal mag, 9ml flora nova bloom, 3.5ml amino acids, 6ml fish shit, 1/2 tsp great white Nutes were 6.0ph, 1384ppm and the ec was 1.5 8/21/22 Bruce watered with 1 gallon. Runoff was 6.6ph, .9ec and 450 ppm. Mixed 5ml cal-mag, 10ml flora nova bloom, fish shit and great white. Feeding mixture was 4.8ph, 1427ppm, 2.8ec. Runoff was 6.2ph, 1.4ec, 683ppm
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Theses girls really filled in fast , colors , smell are amazing. Really happy definitely nice strain
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Almost time for, lights, camera, action ! She will get a decent defoliation to show those beautiful flowers and then she is ready to be documented, what an exciting and stressful grow for me, not because of the plants but because of the ridiculous temperatures we reached this summer 🌞
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Hello This is the end of week 5 and the beginning of week 6 of flowering. Went to post on Tues. but found no pictures in any of my diaries. WTF... 1/2 way there. Still got 5 weeks to go, I'm planning to harvest around Aug 15 unless I get some pests or mold. The inside plants seem to have gotten a little yellow. I'll give some extra nitrogen next watering. Ok. Short Comment. Have Fun. Chuck. Some how the nutrients got messed up. I look at it later.???
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so people are going to ask ? where's the buds well I'm 3 days into drying and soon as everything is dyed I will share the details of everything but long story short..... I wanted to see if I could push my skills, by doing newbie outdoor mistakes like mold, heat and cold issues, pests, animals, nute problems and limiting myself to a budget of £50 for the plant so I could prove you dont need a fancy set up to get good grade cannabis. all it takes is skill, time and love for the plant. bare in mind I stay in Scotland where the misconception is you can't grow cannabis out here at all. well that's wrong I've had lemon haze grow outdoors fine that was a meter and a half tall. and this peyote reached 50cm max until I had to cut the main stem as I was having growth issues with the main stem holding the plant back. but tune in next week when is dried,smoked a little and then after that cured. I know this community is one of the friendliest I have met but I just don't want people making assumptions biased on 1 plant I've posted.
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Well it's safe to say the foop will work with legit strong good bacteria! But the focus has to be on the root health when it comes to how much food you can add and still maintain healthy roots. But the game changer for me has been switching to a air stone, 1st and for most. The recirculation pump suggested by foop when running foop in dwc ran the solution temps into the high 70's around 77°F and anything over 75°F has been where root rot sets in for me. Even switched to way smaller recirculation pump with same results. So switching to running a air stone was big! But also found that running one Vivosun 317GPH Air Pump 15W split to 4 plants was not enough air for the roots to be happy in the foop plants. So I moved to a 2nd air pump, same size per tent. So now it's only split to 2 plants on the foop plants. And that made a big difference! But found after a few weeks that I had to bleed a slight amount of air off because there soo much extra air the humidity was sky rocketing in the tent to high 80%. So there's a sweet spot where they get extra air but not soo much that the humidity is affected. But the 2nd most beneficial thing I've done is start running Orca. It has made such a huge difference. I think I need to go up with how much I'm using or find something that works even better if possible. But the sweet spot now is 8 to 9ml total of each foop veg/bloom 1,2 and sweener. When I go to 12ml with foop 1,2 the roots take a noticeable hit. So idk how I would go to the recommended 20 to 50ml per gallon as suggested on the foop grow chart. I tried going to 10ml foop 1,2 on this one but the roots didn't like it and it shows they have never turned back to a blonde or white color again Currently running around 6 to 10ml orca total per feeding. And adding 2 to 4ml when I add foop 1,2 mid week and got happy roots! Also the Seaweed extract has made a difference in the smell the plant puts off. Last few grows have been really muted with smells and this grow I actually get hit in the face when entering grow room. So has made a difference forsure!! I'm soo excited!! Currently has issues getting the humidity below 55% in the grow room. I was running 6 damprids 1 on intake(outside tent) to tent, one on inside of tent(at inlet) and 1 on exhaust(outside tent) for 2x4 tent and 2 hanging at 4x4 tent exhaust and one hanging by ac unit. That brought it down like 5% over all but now I'm running 12 damprids to try and get the room down humidity in the mid 40's. We will see. The house runs a swamp cooler and that basically makes the whole house pressurized. So even tho I sealed the grooe room door and the window with ac the best i can. it's a uphill battle! Once swamp cooler comes on the humidity in grow room climbs like 10%. So here's to hoping🤞🤞🤞🤞 6/25 added 2L 6/26 added 1.5L, 10ml Seaweed extract, 4ml orca, 4ml foop bloom 1&2, 4ml foop sweener, 3ml cal mag 6/28 added 2L 6/29 added 1.5L 6/30 added 1L, 20ml Seaweed extract 7/1 refreshed, gave 20ml hydroguard, 15ml orca, 25ml Seaweed extract, 9ml foop bloom 1&2. 10ml foop sweener, 6.5ml cal mag Records kept here: https://1drv.ms/x/c/fa218bbdbbfbd064/EelXI2vd0VdDoZBL4JvZ6xMB7lSyddsPGq8FdBGttRAjgg?e=rY8meL 👋👋👋 Hello, Thanks for checking out my grow!! Please like and follow I really appreciate it!🤟 Please feel free to leave questions and comments below!!👇 I really appreciate all advice!!! Check out my Instagram, you can message me there too! And check out my youtube for more content! Mistakes were made, but what better way then to live it and learn it yourself!!!!
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01/22 day 15 start of week 3. Everything going great. Tomorrow is a feed day. This week is a team week also.
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This was a wild ride. Gave way to many nutrients and I realised this way too late, when lock-ups already started to happen. The buds still look very potent, I just think they had way more in em size/potency wise if the nutrients would've been on point. Not growing auto flowers indoor anymore, but I'll deffo be growing this one outdoors this year! The smell is out of this world, #1 smells like tropical fruit juice, #2 more of a candy-sweetness but definitely tropical. Can't wait for ya'll to grow this one!