<span class="link_user">@wolfvb</span>, I appreciate you and I agree she is looking good. She came out of the dirt with her helmet off but she wouldn't open up, and I ended up having to take a paper clip, putting it in between the two cotylion leaves and there was a clear film from the inside of the sea, keeping her closed, so the surgery was successful.. this is the only seed I have of this so it was a stressor but things are looking good .. appreciate you stopping by